John Stones

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karen7 said:
Wasn't it you who said money was no object to you now and you can get who you want no problem?
Stones underperformed for you so 20m should be enough for him then
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Thenumber1blue said:
Stones under performed for you,so where do you get this £40 million plus Bony price tag from ?
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daztrueblue91 said:
It's a bit rich to value Stones at £50+ million despite having a very poor second half to the season and not even getting a game for England at the Euro's and whilst playing down Bony's valuation.

Bony has performed at a far higher level in the PL than Berahino, Deeney and arguably Benteke and they have all had bid rejected of £20+ million.

In a market where James Tomkins, Ross McCormack and Dwight Gayle are all valued at over £10 million, its fucking ridiculous to not value Bony at a minimum of £20 million.
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The entire team had a poor second half of the season. Stones' potential is clear and he has his age going for him. The fact that he's Pep's ideal centre back only raises his valuation with regards to Everton dealing with City. The fact that Bony has had a torrid 18 months with City only decreases his valuation. Does Pep actually view Bony as part of his plans? I hear he's for sale, and a player's price is different when he's for sale (Bony) than when he isn't for sale and the club wants to keep him (Tomkins, McCormack, Berahino, Deeny, Benteke). Also, I'd argue that Stones not partaking in any of that awful performance is only a good thing!

I'm not saying Bony isn't worth more, or isn't better, than any of the players you listed, because he is. But the circumstances dictate the price and right now, the circumstances should really put him below £20m.
 
efcblue said:
The entire team had a poor second half of the season. Stones' potential is clear and he has his age going for him. The fact that he's Pep's ideal centre back only raises his valuation with regards to Everton dealing with City. The fact that Bony has had a torrid 18 months with City only decreases his valuation. Does Pep actually view Bony as part of his plans? I hear he's for sale, and a player's price is different when he's for sale (Bony) than when he isn't for sale and the club wants to keep him (Tomkins, McCormack, Berahino, Deeny, Benteke). Also, I'd argue that Stones not partaking in any of that awful performance is only a good thing!

I'm not saying Bony isn't worth more, or isn't better, than any of the players you listed, because he is. But the circumstances dictate the price and right now, the circumstances should really put him below £20m.
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If you asked that question to all City fans, a resounding outcome would be,that we would pay you to take him off our fucking hands.
 
efcblue said:
The entire team had a poor second half of the season. Stones' potential is clear and he has his age going for him. The fact that he's Pep's ideal centre back only raises his valuation with regards to Everton dealing with City. The fact that Bony has had a torrid 18 months with City only decreases his valuation. Does Pep actually view Bony as part of his plans? I hear he's for sale, and a player's price is different when he's for sale (Bony) than when he isn't for sale and the club wants to keep him (Tomkins, McCormack, Berahino, Deeny, Benteke). Also, I'd argue that Stones not partaking in any of that awful performance is only a good thing!

I'm not saying Bony isn't worth more, or isn't better, than any of the players you listed, because he is. But the circumstances dictate the price and right now, the circumstances should really put him below £20m.
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But you valued him at half that. Either that or you value Stones at over 50 mill.
 
efcblue said:
The entire team had a poor second half of the season. Stones' potential is clear and he has his age going for him. The fact that he's Pep's ideal centre back only raises his valuation with regards to Everton dealing with City. The fact that Bony has had a torrid 18 months with City only decreases his valuation. Does Pep actually view Bony as part of his plans? I hear he's for sale, and a player's price is different when he's for sale (Bony) than when he isn't for sale and the club wants to keep him (Tomkins, McCormack, Berahino, Deeny, Benteke). Also, I'd argue that Stones not partaking in any of that awful performance is only a good thing!

I'm not saying Bony isn't worth more, or isn't better, than any of the players you listed, because he is. But the circumstances dictate the price and right now, the circumstances should really put him below £20m.
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What you're doing is conveniently using excuses to defend Stones' price tag whilst ignoring the same excuses to lower Bony's.

Like Everton, the entire City side had a terrible second half of the season. In addition, Bony didn't get a sustained run in the side, unlike Stones.

Bony also joined us mid season which is notoriously difficult for players to hit the ground running and then had Malaria in the summer. Something which effected his preseason.

I don't for a moment think that Bony has been a success for City but he is still a very good striker who is in the wrong system.

Also, aside from fans not rating Bony, I've seen nothing to suggest the club are actively trying to offload him. Unlike Stones of course who wants out of Everton for the second consecutive year.
 
oakiecokie said:
If you asked that question to all City fans, a resounding outcome would be,that we would pay you to take him off our fucking hands.
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Haha!

Barcon said:
But you valued him at half that. Either that or you value Stones at over 50 mill.
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So?

daztrueblue91 said:
What you're doing is conveniently using excuses to defend Stones' price tag whilst ignoring the same excuses to lower Bony's.

Like Everton, the entire City side had a terrible second half of the season. In addition, Bony didn't get a sustained run in the side, unlike Stones.

Bony also joined us mid season which is notoriously difficult for players to hit the ground running and then had Malaria in the summer. Something which effected his preseason.

I don't for a moment think that Bony has been a success for City but he is still a very good striker who is in the wrong system.

Also, aside from fans not rating Bony, I've seen nothing to suggest the club are actively trying to offload him. Unlike Stones of course who wants out of Everton for the second consecutive year.
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What I'm doing is giving reasons as to why Bony can very feasibly be considered to be worth lower than £20m and Stones is still valued at £50m, with regards to these negotiations.
 
Bony just needs a new start - whether that's under Pep, Koeman or another manager I don't know. He's showed his quality in the Premiership but when he arrived he went straight off to the ACON then got injured, then last Summer he got malaria. If he's the main man, and a team and its supporters have faith in him, he'll score 15-20 league goals.
 
efcblue said:
Haha!



So?



What I'm doing is giving reasons as to why Bony can very feasibly be considered to be worth lower than £20m and Stones is still valued at £50m, with regards to these negotiations.
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What do you mean "so"? How old are you?

You're valuing Bony at less than 11 mill yet keep bleating on about him being valued at less than 20 mill.

You sound like a fucking fool.
 
efcblue said:
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So?



What I'm doing is giving reasons as to why Bony can very feasibly be considered to be worth lower than £20m and Stones is still valued at £50m, with regards to these negotiations.
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Doesn't matter what we think. Bony is better than Lukaku. There will be a lot of City fans who will laugh at that. he has become a laughing stock and that is part of the problem. Few have faith in him. He was under a lot of pressure when Aguero was out and didn't do well, but missed pre-season due to malaria. Quality player though.
 
Let put this straight. Stones is an outstanding footballer. Young and English. He's worth every penny in today's market. Bony too is a very good player. Both had poor seasons but both with poor managers. If they do swop I'm sure both will prosper. To he fair Everton are a massive club,certainly as big as us,with their new money they could offer stones champion league football soon. What they don't have is that now,factor in Pep and you can see why he wants to come here. It's no slant on Everton it's just a timing thing. It's notable that he wouldn't sign for peggy last year. Well done lad.
 
Bill said:
Let put this straight. Stones is an outstanding footballer. Young and English. He's worth every penny in today's market. Bony too is a very good player. Both had poor seasons but both with poor managers. If they do swop I'm sure both will prosper. To he fair Everton are a massive club,certainly as big as us,with their new money they could offer stones champion league football soon. What they don't have is that now,factor in Pep and you can see why he wants to come here. It's no slant on Everton it's just a timing thing. It's notable that he wouldn't sign for peggy last year. Well done lad.
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No disrespect to Everton but I think you are doing us a disservice there, in what way are they as big as us? Globally? Commercially? I think not, in fact no data will back that statement up, I'm sure you've seen the recent report on us being one of the most valuable sports teams around today(28th) certainly as far as football teams go(6th) . As for the new money it's come from a guy who sold his Arsenal shares and then bought 49.9% of Evertons, last season there were 13 Clubs in the premiere league with Billionaire stakeholders, the money will help(new stadium on the cards perhaps) but it doesn't guarantee they will be offering Champions League football on a regular basis any time soon.
 
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Metalartin said:
No disrespect to Everton but I think you are doing us a disservice there, in what way are they as big as us? Globally? Commercially? I think not, in fact no data will back that statement up, I'm sure you've seen the recent report on us being one of the most valuable sports teams around today(28th) certainly as far as football teams go(6th) . As for the new money it's come from a guy who sold his Arsenal shares and then bought 49.9% of Evertons, last season there were 13 Clubs in the premiere league with Billionaire stakeholders, the money will help(new stadium on the cards perhaps) but it doesn't guarantee they will be offering Champions League football on a regular basis any time soon.
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Everton would match all of that had our owner invested in them instead.
we had a slight edge in as much he could dethrone the rags.
 
Bill said:
Everton would match all of that had our owner invested in them instead.
we had a slight edge in as much he could dethrone the rags.
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Everton would have matched it with our owner, but the new investor in Everton wont match what we have done I can't see them reaching top 4 on a regular basis.
 
Bill said:
Everton would match all of that had our owner invested in them instead.
we had a slight edge in as much he could dethrone the rags.
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You mean they were as big as us before our owner came then? I can't argue with that but that's another point completely though, I think we are very fortunate to have Sheikh Mansour as our owner and we've come so far since he arrived that we have to appreciate it and give full credit for what has been achieved to this point in time.
 
Metalartin said:
You mean they were as big as us before our owner came then? That's another point completely though I think we are very fortunate to have Sheikh Mansour as our owner and we've come so far since he arrived we have to appreciate that and give credit for what has been achieved to this point in time.
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the teams were on a level footing. Everton had a better recent history but we both were overshadowed by red cunts. then.....boom.
 
Bill said:
the teams were on a level footing. Everton had a better recent history but we both were overshadowed by red cunts. then.....boom.
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Yes, but we are miles in front of Everton now. That's the point he is making.
 
Bill said:
the teams were on a level footing. Everton had a better recent history but we both were overshadowed by red cunts. then.....boom.
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They certainly don't need to sell players if they don't want to anymore but I think that's becoming true of most BPL clubs with the TV money, I hope Southampton will be able to keep their best players from now on, it will be interesting to see what happens when they can tell Liverpool and Arsenal to bugger off every time they get a nice core going.
 
Barcon said:
But you valued him at half that. Either that or you value Stones at over 50 mill.
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Why wouldn't Everton overvalue Stones and undervalue Bony? We are desperate to get rid of Bony and desperate to sign Stones. They hold the cards, not us.
 
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