John Stones

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TRUE BLUE NO1 said:
Hi mate....I get the feeling, we now know Stones (and Sane) both want to come here and because of this, we holding back and trying to force their teams to drop the asking price.....
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Absolutely no doubt that's what we're doing. It's a classic Txiki bit of bartering - make sure the player only wants to come to you, then drive the price down by waiting, drip feeding information out to the press, and generally acting like you're not that bothered.

In general terms I have no problem with the club wanting to get the best deal possible for themselves. However I'm both surprised and a little disappointed that with Pep coming in this summer, someone higher up than Txiki & Soriano hasn't said "listen lads, go get the deals done early so Pep has got everyone he wants in for pre season - don't worry too much about haggling".

Valuations are loose things, but we're really not talking about outlandish ridiculous ones. Stones at 50 million vs 40 million ? Sane difference the same ? For me closing those deals is MUCH more important this summer than in any previous one. I also think at some point it begins to reflect badly from the players' point of view because they start thinking "well how badly do they want me".

Anyway maybe I'm just being impatient. Lets see what happens over the weekend and next week.
 
BillyShears said:
Absolutely no doubt that's what we're doing. It's a classic Txiki bit of bartering - make sure the player only wants to come to you, then drive the price down by waiting, drip feeding information out to the press, and generally acting like you're not that bothered.

In general terms I have no problem with the club wanting to get the best deal possible for themselves. However I'm both surprised and a little disappointed that with Pep coming in this summer, someone higher up than Txiki & Soriano hasn't said "listen lads, go get the deals done early so Pep has got everyone he wants in for pre season - don't worry too much about haggling".

Valuations are loose things, but we're really not talking about outlandish ridiculous ones. Stones at 50 million vs 40 million ? Sane difference the same ? For me closing those deals is MUCH more important this summer than in any previous one. I also think at some point it begins to reflect badly from the players' point of view because they start thinking "well how badly do they want me".

Anyway maybe I'm just being impatient. Lets see what happens over the weekend and next week.
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You aren't being impatient. It's important that pep has a full pre-season with as many players as possible, to give us the best chance going into the new season, especially as we start playing competitively earlier due to CL qualifiers.
Not signing bonucci, or kroos, whose links have been rumours at best perhaps anyway, u can entirely understand. But haven't we been working on stones and sane since January!!?? We should have wrapped these up weeks ago. Stones is now back training with Everton which simply shouldn't have been able to happen.
We seem to have these long drawn out affairs every year, though.
 
BillyShears said:
Absolutely no doubt that's what we're doing. It's a classic Txiki bit of bartering - make sure the player only wants to come to you, then drive the price down by waiting, drip feeding information out to the press, and generally acting like you're not that bothered.

In general terms I have no problem with the club wanting to get the best deal possible for themselves. However I'm both surprised and a little disappointed that with Pep coming in this summer, someone higher up than Txiki & Soriano hasn't said "listen lads, go get the deals done early so Pep has got everyone he wants in for pre season - don't worry too much about haggling".

Valuations are loose things, but we're really not talking about outlandish ridiculous ones. Stones at 50 million vs 40 million ? Sane difference the same ? For me closing those deals is MUCH more important this summer than in any previous one. I also think at some point it begins to reflect badly from the players' point of view because they start thinking "well how badly do they want me".

Anyway maybe I'm just being impatient. Lets see what happens over the weekend and next week.
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We also thought Isco was coming to us for sure .... Dangerous game Txiki plays, if the likes of Barca, Madrid, Bayern come knocking could be left with egg on face. Everton don't need the money either so good luck trying to knock them down on price!!
 
BillyShears said:
Absolutely no doubt that's what we're doing. It's a classic Txiki bit of bartering - make sure the player only wants to come to you, then drive the price down by waiting, drip feeding information out to the press, and generally acting like you're not that bothered.

In general terms I have no problem with the club wanting to get the best deal possible for themselves. However I'm both surprised and a little disappointed that with Pep coming in this summer, someone higher up than Txiki & Soriano hasn't said "listen lads, go get the deals done early so Pep has got everyone he wants in for pre season - don't worry too much about haggling".

Valuations are loose things, but we're really not talking about outlandish ridiculous ones. Stones at 50 million vs 40 million ? Sane difference the same ? For me closing those deals is MUCH more important this summer than in any previous one. I also think at some point it begins to reflect badly from the players' point of view because they start thinking "well how badly do they want me".

Anyway maybe I'm just being impatient. Lets see what happens over the weekend and next week.
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I agree completely mate.....I know its easy for us fans to say but I do think the value to having the new players learning under Pep's system for a full pre-season should far outweigh the couple of mil we trying to save over a 5-6year deal...I think the pattern of how we negotiate is the same every year and if us fans can see it, teams like Everton and Schalke will be reading us like a book and will not be in any hurry to start giving discount off their valuation just because the players want to be here....
 
BillyShears said:
Absolutely no doubt that's what we're doing. It's a classic Txiki bit of bartering - make sure the player only wants to come to you, then drive the price down by waiting, drip feeding information out to the press, and generally acting like you're not that bothered.

In general terms I have no problem with the club wanting to get the best deal possible for themselves. However I'm both surprised and a little disappointed that with Pep coming in this summer, someone higher up than Txiki & Soriano hasn't said "listen lads, go get the deals done early so Pep has got everyone he wants in for pre season - don't worry too much about haggling".

Valuations are loose things, but we're really not talking about outlandish ridiculous ones. Stones at 50 million vs 40 million ? Sane difference the same ? For me closing those deals is MUCH more important this summer than in any previous one. I also think at some point it begins to reflect badly from the players' point of view because they start thinking "well how badly do they want me".

Anyway maybe I'm just being impatient. Lets see what happens over the weekend and next week.
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My issue and the reason I whinged about the deals being slow is I believe it's of the upmost importance for these players to have a pre season under Pep.
 
TRUE BLUE NO1 said:
I agree mate, just trying to come at this from another angle as no one really knows whats going on.....think its fair to say, Schalke boss knew about our approach for the player at the start of Jan(over 6months ago!)...he even confirmed this in a presser .....and the same can be said for Stones. We've worked hard to "corner the market" for these 2 players and just as with Kev and Sterling last year, we use the "players interest in us" to start haggling over the price....which is why I feel "dragging our feet" at this point in negotiations, is part of the plan.....we have a pattern for the way we do our transfers and just believe we following it to the letter.....doesnt mean we cant get frustrated about it tho!;) cheers
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Not sure I buy into your preconceived idea that we follow a plan on how we conduct transfers, as others we have signed in a hurry. The only answer IMO, is that we have no idea on what is happening behind the scenes
 
mosssideblue said:
Not sure I buy into your preconceived idea that we follow a plan on how we conduct transfers, as others we have signed in a hurry. The only answer IMO, is that we have no idea on what is happening behind the scenes
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I agree mate....they are always just opinions because none of us know the full facts! Its fair to say, either side of the argument could be right! cheers
 
Neville Kneville said:
As if any of you has any fucking idea what the real situation is.

Just pay it. Yeah alright.

Bollocks.
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No. But a deal should have been wrapped up really, when we have chased the player since January, and he wants to come to us.

But go on, you carry on with your "spoilt kids" lines, and we will have a conversation.
 
Neville Kneville said:
As if any of you has any fucking idea what the real situation is.

Just pay it. Yeah alright.

Bollocks.
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I know the season hasn't started but already I must do better as I find myself agreeing with you so soon :).

All those whinging that Pep should have all his targets available for pre season come over as though the club hadn't thought of that.

We really have an impatient bunch
 
dancity19 said:
You aren't being impatient. It's important that pep has a full pre-season with as many players as possible, to give us the best chance going into the new season, especially as we start playing competitively earlier due to CL qualifiers.
Not signing bonucci, or kroos, whose links have been rumours at best perhaps anyway, u can entirely understand. But haven't we been working on stones and sane since January!!?? We should have wrapped these up weeks ago. Stones is now back training with Everton which simply shouldn't have been able to happen.
We seem to have these long drawn out affairs every year, though.
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If only Txiki and Pep would talk together like best mates there wouldn't be any misunderstanding...

...oh, wait a moment.


Perhaps everything is actually in hand?
 
dancity19 said:
No. But a deal should have been wrapped up really, when we have chased the player since January, and he wants to come to us.

But go on, you carry on with your "spoilt kids" lines, and we will have a conversation.
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Nobody has a fucking clue.whether it 'should',be wrapped up or not.

What if Everton are ending the player auction on 10 Aug ? Or the 20 th ? What if they wany ten mil in add ons ? Nobody has a fucking clue apart from those doing he deal, or not, if it doesn't suit us.
 
schfc6 said:
Whilst I don't disagree with you, I think the signing of 19-22 year olds is more of a long term plan. We have a lot of players coming into their 30's. Very key players. Silva, Aguero, Vinny and Hart. Fernandinho is their already. The fullbacks are all quite old.
I see our plan to have a brilliant young squad, with the current crop of U18's/16 complimenting the young players we are buying.Diaz for Silva for example.
I personally believe there's been a gap of about 5 years where we've not had eds players of the required standard. The all conquering Young sides should be much different.

If rumours are to be believed, we could have the likes of Tosin & Diaz complimenting the likes of Stones, Sane, Gabriel & Iheanacho.

If we're still adding 5 or 6 players every season after Pep's tenure, I agree, we'll have failed in one of our primary objectives.
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Correct, we've got no less than 9 first team players already in their 30'S. We're planning long term with the young top talent and the youth team.
 
dancity19 said:
No. But a deal should have been wrapped up really, when we have chased the player since January, and he wants to come to us.

But go on, you carry on with your "spoilt kids" lines, and we will have a conversation.
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Sounds more like flapping than a conversation to me.

You think you understand the situation and all that's lacking is City meeting Everton's demands but:
1 - That may not be the situation at all.
2 - Just paying the extra to satisfy impatient fans is impractical as team will hold us at randsom.
3 - The extra few million could be put aside towards a Toni Kroos. What then?

Quit flapping. He's coming to City. He wants to come here and it's not in Everton's interest to stop him. Just let it play out.
 
mosssideblue said:
I know the season hasn't started but already I must do better as I find myself agreeing with you so soon :).

All those whinging that Pep should have all his targets available for pre season come over as though the club hadn't thought of that.

We really have an impatient bunch
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If Pep.wanted a player in so badly, now, that we should pay 5 or10 mil over the odds, then we would pay it. And guess what folks, they still might not let us have him til their sell by date is reached.
 
TRUE BLUE NO1 said:
I agree mate....they are always just opinions because none of us know the full facts! Its fair to say, either side of the argument could be right! cheers
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But you don't though, do you.
Which side of the fence will your next post be on :)


TRUE BLUE NO1 said:
I agree completely mate.....I know its easy for us fans to say but I do think the value to having the new players learning under Pep's system for a full pre-season should far outweigh the couple of mil we trying to save over a 5-6year deal...I think the pattern of how we negotiate is the same every year and if us fans can see it, teams like Everton and Schalke will be reading us like a book and will not be in any hurry to start giving discount off their valuation just because the players want to be here....
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Akiva said:
Sounds more like flapping than a conversation to me.

You think you understand the situation and all that's lacking is City meeting Everton's demands but:
1 - That may not be the situation at all.
2 - Just paying the extra to satisfy impatient fans is impractical as team will hold us at randsom.
3 - The extra few million could be put aside towards a Toni Kroos. What then?

Quit flapping. He's coming to City. He wants to come here and it's not in Everton's interest to stop him. Just let it play out.
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I didn't say I didn't think he was coming. But I am convinced we would rather have him in for pre season. And when you see other clubs around the world wrap up deals, you wonder why these long drawn out sagas often seem to follow us around.
 
Don't really get why people are saying we know fuck all. It's an internet forum. We're fans. Of course we know fuck all! It's speculation, based on what's visible to us. That's what happens on an internet forum – no more, no less. It's fun to speculate. That's it. Howard Hockin came right out and said on the Citywatch podcast yesterday that he knows fuck all about what's going on, and he's a bit more ITK than me…
Now, my tuppeny hapenny worth. I take the point about getting the deals done on Stones and Sané so that Pep is working with his people as early as possible. It's highly valid. However, these deals have to be seen in a longer perspective, perhaps. We've paid over the odds for years now. We clearly paid over the odds for Mangala, we arguably paid over the odds for Sterling (although I still think that that remains to be seen – let's just say that he didn't come cheap, but he's English, and he's young, and he could still develop into a hell of a player). At what point – when – does the club say stop, enough is enough? There's every indication that Stones and Sané both want to come here. With the info this morning on Sané's release clause dropping sharply next summer, it doesn't seem unreasonable for the club to say to Schalke, “Hey, you're not a very huge club, you know, we're offering you a more than handsome fee of about 45,000,000€ for a very young player who, only one year up the road, will be able to get out much more cheaply anyway”. I can see that point of view, in terms of a long term strategy of paying a more than fair fee, but not silly money, for our designated targets. What that would be indicative of is the sea change in the international status of this club. Ironically, it is now the rags who are reduced to offering silly money, whereas only a few years back, it was Ferguson who accused us of it.
By the way, please don't bother to tell me that it's not my money, not personally my money, coming out of my wallet. I am in fact aware of that. Put simply, it's my club, for life, and I feel concerned by the transactions of my club.
 
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