The are we allowed the "it's quiet" thread yet? thread.

[Patientman63]

If Pep wanted to put out a bog standard team to play Sunderland, playing bog standard, safe, football, like Mourinho would do, he could put one out, full of top players.

He has been brought in to 'do his thing' which means something competely different to the normal way of playing & players who have not done it before will have to learn it, new signings or old. And they can't nail it in 3 pre season games. Most work will be done in training & most of it during the season.

We just have to hope we can get somewhere in the ballpark in the early part of the season. I think this time next year will be the real Guardiola team & he will then know himself exactly which signings he needs to get us there.

This, this and thrice this!

 

[Neville Kneville]

thats an over exaggeration of what people are saying to try and support your argument

kolorov, fernando, mangala are weak points and should be gone (i would include navas in that but others would disagree and it seems like Pep does as well so lets just see on that)

the ageing of Zabba is an issue but one that any city fan will put up with even if it does cause us issues on the pitch

Kompanies injury issues are a concern for everyone hence the need for an extra centre half - blatantly obvious/undeniable and a clear priority yet to be sorted (though hopefully it will)

relying on the youngsters (especially garcia, tosin nd the young lads at fullback ) could go either way...all look like great prospects but as to the question of are they good enough yet i think Pep clearly answered that in his comments about Tosin


Others are saying Hart is also one (but i disagree)

Nobody who doesn't have to start in the team is a 'weak point'. If Fernando was to start it would only he because Pep picked him. Same with Zaba or Kolarov. We don't have to start any of them all season if we don't want.

People are just panicking for the sake of it & once again writing off al the kids as being shit & no use. But they aren't shit & some may be better than some of the signings peope are whinging about.

 

[simon23]

Delph and Fernando, aren't first choice but still better than Fellaini and Carrick, so more than good enough for me. No question we have enough cover for Aguero , especially if he only misses the 8 or so games he normally misses in a season.

Don't care if they are better than fellani or carrick...neither of those two would get into our team and neither should fernando or Delph

I disagree that we don't need back up for Kun......but i guess we will see

 

[simon23]

Nobody who doesn't have to start in the team is a 'weak point'. If Fernando was to start it would only he because Pep picked him. Same with Zaba or Kolarov. We don't have to start any of them all season if we don't want.

People are just panicking for the sake of it & once again writing off al the kids as being shit & no use. But they aren't shit & some may be better than some of the signings peope are whinging about.

He may start Fernando cause ehe has no choice...that makes him a weak point...same with Kolorov......no way anyone can argue that Kolorv s good enough defensively whether at fullback or centre half to be starting. He is a weak point regardless of whether pep starts him or not...same with fernando (though I'm more open to the possibility that in his correct position fernando can be improved......Kolorov won't regardless of who the coach is

Plus no one has said the kids are shit...but Pep himself has said that there is a lot of work to be done on the likes of Tosin.....no where near the finished article...could he be...absloutely...at the present no he isn't (peps words not mine)

 

[Neville Kneville]

He may start Fernando cause ehe has no choice...that makes him a weak point...same with Kolorov......no way anyone can argue that Kolorv s good enough defensively whether at fullback or centre half to be starting. He is a weak point regardless of whether pep starts him or not...same with fernando (though I'm more open to the possibility that in his correct position fernando can be improved......Kolorov won't regardless of who the coach is

He does have a choice.

We have been brainwashed into accepting unimaginitive incompetence by Pellegrini. We have a shedload of players who could play in place of Fernando if Pep wants it. Also in place of Kolarov or Zaba. If he picks them it's because he wants to.

 

[Father Paul]

I think too many are getting too hung up with yesterday's team selection

I kind of agree but as I'm sure others have said it's easy to imagine the response if Pellers had ever selected Kolorov as a CD even in training. My
faith in Pep is in no way diminished but you surely must admit that a pairing in the heart of defence of Fernando and Kolorov is bizzare to say the least.

 

[mosssideblue]

I kind of agree but as I'm sure others have said it's easy to imagine the response if Pellers had ever selected Kolorov as a CD even in training. My
faith in Pep is in no way diminished but you surely must admit that a pairing in the heart of defence of Fernando and Kolorov is bizzare to say the least.

What choices did he have exactly?

 

[simon23]

He does have a choice.

We have been brainwashed into accepting unimaginitive incompetence by Pellegrini. We have a shedload of players who could play in place of Fernando if Pep wants it. Also in place of Kolarov or Zaba. If he picks them it's because he wants to.

I'm guessing you are talking about A Garcia instead of fernando and the young lads at fullback

Id be more than happy with the young lads at fullback but Garcias role is so pivotal that I think a slower intro will be needed rather than throwing him in at the deep end (especially against the stronger teams).

 

[talkativesprout]

"Don't believe what you read in the papers and our business isn't done" said Pep Guardiola a couple of days ago according to some pensioners who saw him on the golf course a couple of days ago.

Could be bullshit who knws just reporting what some random old dude said to me this morning when talking about last nights game.

 

[NQCitizen]

I think too many are getting too hung up with yesterday's team selection

You mean we won't need all 22 of them on Saturday?

 

[Neville Kneville]

I'm guessing you are talking about A Garcia instead of fernando and the young lads at fullback

Id be more than happy with the young lads at fullback but Garcias role is so pivotal that I think a slower intro will be needed rather than throwing him in at the deep end (especially against the stronger teams).

But he doesn't have to go in at the deep end if Pep believes he's not ready. We have a bunch of players who can play there. What we don't want, is just Fernandinho & Yaya in centre mid, two wingers a No 10 & Aguero up front & a sloth at cb, like we had last season.

If we have 3 mids & two fullbacks occupying midfield places with De Bruyne or Silva, we can choose what type of player we have in each position as we will have the numbers there rather than just Fern legging it around a fat Yaya.

 

[mosssideblue]

You mean we won't need all 22 of them on Saturday?

Nah. 11 will do and they will do just fine

 

[NQCitizen]

Kolarov is a strange one. I would love to know what Pep is up to but we will probably never find out.

Best passer out of the back of those available and lets Clichy and Angelino get run outs at LB.

 

[Tron Coltrane]

You're doing the lord's work in here, Neville.

If we're keeping score in this thread, kindly put me down for the "why the fuck are we all losing our minds?" group. As a personal aside, I think worrying about the month of August is terribly myopic. Couldn't give a shit if we lose every game (CL qualifier would sting, to be fair). This is a very long, exciting journey we're going on, and it's going to be bumpy at first. I'd hate to lose my shit and freak out before we've even ventured down the block. If there is a signing that helps the project for years to come and is healthy for the month of August, great. If not, no worries... it's going to take time any which way we cut it, so might as well get on with the growing pains.

 

[Neville Kneville]

You're doing the lord's work in here, Neville.

If we're keeping score in this thread, kindly put me down for the "why the fuck are we all losing our minds?" group. As a personal aside, I think worrying about the month of August is terribly myopic. Couldn't give a shit if we lose every game (CL qualifier would sting, to be fair). This is a very long, exciting journey we're going on, and it's going to be bumpy at first. I'd hate to lose my shit and freak out before we've even ventured down the block. If there is a signing that helps the project for years to come and is healthy for the month of August, great. If not, no worries... it's going to take time any which way we cut it, so might as well get on with the growing pains.

That's what I find strange. I'm absolutlely buzzing about the future of the club but so many people seem more worried about this autumn. I don't give that much of a fuck about it personally.

I think that as a club, we've hit the jackpot. It's just a matter of when it pays out.

 

[simon23]

That's what I find strange. I'm absolutlely buzzing about the future of the club but so many people seem more worried about this autumn. I don't give that much of a fuck about it personally.

I think that as a club, we've hit the jackpot. It's just a matter of when it pays out.

I completely get what you are saying (and agree) but if it takes half a season to get things right (when we have been told that they have been planning for this ever since employing Mancini) then Im sorry it isn't good enough.....even with less warning it would be clearly obvious to the average fan that some of those players in the squad would not fit into a pep side.....so better planning and implementation of said plan would enable replacements to be bought who do fit in and those that don't then sold on. If also we only have pep for 3 seasons (lets hope its more) then possibly wasting half a season is even worse

 

[Tron Coltrane]

That's what I find strange. I'm absolutlely buzzing about the future of the club but so many people seem more worried about this autumn. I don't give that much of a fuck about it personally.

I think that as a club, we've hit the jackpot. It's just a matter of when it pays out.

The shame of it is that I have neutral friends who are more appreciative of what we're doing than some fellow Blues. Have a Spurs friend who discusses our plans like a perfect storm descending on football. If I had a choice between stumbling to 1st place in the league this season with a patchwork squad and a watered-down version of Pep's system, or 4th in the league with a baptism of fire and young kids growing pains, I'd take the latter. If we get this right it could be the greatest side to ever play in the league, with an average age profile in its early 20's.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I completely get what you are saying (and agree) but if it takes half a season to get things right (when we have been told that they have been planning for this ever since employing Mancini) then Im sorry it isn't good enough.....even with less warning it would be clearly obvious to the average fan that some of those players in the squad would not fit into a pep side.....so better planning and implementation of said plan would enable replacements to be bought who do fit in and those that don't then sold on. If also we only have pep for 3 seasons (lets hope its more) then possibly wasting half a season is even worse

'Not good enough' is just a chosen state of mind. We don't know enough about the details of each situation, to make that call.

If someone has been useless & not done their job properly I find out about it, then it wouldalter my opinion. But I know nothing about the inner workings of the club over the past few years, nor what's happening right now but from what we have done, it all seems absolutely fine to me from the outside & I'm absolutely delighted & I'm intrigued how Pep will try to solve this problem early doors. Not concerned or arsed, just intrigued.

 

[Neville Kneville]

The shame of it is that I have neutral friends who are more appreciative of what we're doing than some fellow Blues. Have a Spurs friend who discusses our plans like a perfect storm descending on football. If I had a choice between stumbling to 1st place in the league this season with a patchwork squad and a watered-down version of Pep's system, or 4th in the league with a baptism of fire and young kids growing pains, I'd take the latter. If we get this right it could be the greatest side to ever play in the league, with an average age profile in its early 20's.

If it was the rags in our position, I would be depressed.

 

[simon23]

do you not think that even looking at the team perform last year and knowing how pep plays it was clearly obvious that some players would not fit....i think its blindingly obvious even before the transfer window opened/even last season when pep was first announced.

To not do something about key areas of the first team that are going to struggle hugely with pep wanting to play a certain way isn't good enough for me.....

We know that Txixi et al has had at least from last february to prepare for this (probably longer than that) and the problem with the fullbacks isn't being solved, the problems with needing at least one centre half (potentially needing 2) is only just being solved (when Pep said he would like to have his players in time to train with them) and an overhaul of the central midfield area is only half complete.