Marc-Andre ter Stegen

[mosssideblue]

I've had similar thoughts. What if we sign one sweeper and trade Hart (Hart would likely demand a transfer if he's not our first choice keeper), while keeping Caballero; Caballero seems even less able to play sweeper than Hart.

What happens if the hypothetical sweeper we sign gets injured? Moreover, are we going to play the sweeper every single game? Most teams rotate keepers.

So yes... I think we're actually 2 keepers away from being able to play the way Pep wants us to play.

Hardly. Unless you mean one plays league and the other cups, which is not really rotating in my mind

 

[Terra Passenger]

Hardly. Unless you mean one plays league and the other cups, which is not really rotating in my mind

Yes, this is what I meant by "rotate"; one for the league and the other for CL/cups or some similar variant.

 

[dachoosen1]

Rotating keepers doesnt work, after a season the one playing cups wants to move on a game every few weeks isnt ideal especially as you are under the most pressure as one mistake your out of the competition and you have to wait awhile before you have a chance to redeem yourself!

 

[domalino]

Yes, this is what I meant by "rotate"; one for the league and the other for CL/cups or some similar variant.

This is exactly the reason ter Stegen wants to leave. If he were to come, he'd want to play League+CL at least.

 

[mosssideblue]

This is exactly the reason ter Stegen wants to leave. If he were to come, he'd want to play League+CL at least.

If he comes here, he has probably had assurances of that then

 

[domalino]

If he comes here, he has probably had assurances of that then

Yeah, he said 25 games a season was not enough - so if he got League and CL then that should be nearly 50 games which should satisfy him.

Then give Hart the league cup and FA Cup to show if he can do what Pep wants.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

And that's the crux of it. Sentiment will not make us better

Great post.

Hart made a stupid pass to an equally stupid and oblivious Demichelis, who was forced to rush and underhit his return to Hart.

I know it's been discussed before, and Fernando's technique was obviously abysmal, but Hart is wide of his goal when he makes a stupid pass across the face of his area, it increased the margin for error against Paris.

I'll go as far as to say, Pep has known it from day one.

When Bayern came and handed us a lesson at the Etihad the very first time, the whole gameplan was to make Hart kick it long, knowing he has little confidence to make the pass.

You could argue Liverpool in all our recent encounters, have done exactly the same.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Great post.

Hart made a stupid pass to an equally stupid and oblivious Demichelis, who was forced to rush and underhit his return to Hart.

I know it's been discussed before, and Fernando's technique was obviously abysmal, but Hart is wide of his goal when he makes a stupid pass across the face of his area, it increased the margin for error against Paris.

I'll go as far as to say, Pep has known it from day one.

When Bayern came and handed us a lesson at the Etihad the very first time, the whole gameplan was to make Hart kick it long, knowing he has little confidence to make the pass.

You could argue Liverpool in all our recent encounters, have done exactly the same.

Indeed, but tbf they will try that with any keeper we have, as they don't want us playing the ball out from the back, as it will cause them problems, which is why Pep does it !

And it's dead simple, either Joe does it or he goes.

Some folks on here seem to be blaming posters for mentioning that, but it's what is going to happen. Either Joe will become good at passing the ball about in Pep's system, or we will be watching someone else play in goal for City at some point in the not too distant future. Maybe it's already too late.

 

[domalino]

Great post.

Hart made a stupid pass to an equally stupid and oblivious Demichelis, who was forced to rush and underhit his return to Hart.

I know it's been discussed before, and Fernando's technique was obviously abysmal, but Hart is wide of his goal when he makes a stupid pass across the face of his area, it increased the margin for error against Paris.

I'll go as far as to say, Pep has known it from day one.

When Bayern came and handed us a lesson at the Etihad the very first time, the whole gameplan was to make Hart kick it long, knowing he has little confidence to make the pass.

You could argue Liverpool in all our recent encounters, have done exactly the same.

Liverpool definitely did at the Etihad - MOTD did a great piece on it (Think it was Pat Nevin) that showed all they had to do was have Firmino press the CB's and Hart would chip it to Sagna every time, and Coutinho picked him off because it's almost impossible to control a goalkick aimed at your head.

I wonder how much our Capital 1 Cup victory owed to Caballero's selection - it surprised everyone, and I'm sure that included Klopp who would have expected his usual game plan to work again.

I'm hoping your presence in this thread means something Tolmie.

 

[St.Pauli support]

Then give Hart the league cup and FA Cup to show if he can do what Pep wants.

One of the world's best keepers - that's what I have learnt on here the last days ;-) - wouldn't accept a downgrade. Why should he??
Anyway, as maybe the best keeper in the world he would have plenty offers from top clubs around the planet. Simple.

Seriously, I understand Pep has a plan and must decide accordingly. On the other hand I also like the loyalty of many lads on here for Joe.
It's a classical dilemma. But as we need a decision I can't see an alternative for backing Pep.
All of us wanted a new era. We wanted an overhaul of the ageing squad. Now we gonna start. Pep is a doer, a maniac even.
He has a vision and he needs to follow it. There is no other way.

We are allowed to hate him for this or that though. Pep out! :)

Either Joe will become good at passing the ball about in Pep's system, or we will be watching someone else play in goal for City at some point in the not too distant future.

I really am glass half-full, but I very much doubt that a player is able to change his style of body movements after such a long career. Having a good touch is nothing to learn within 2 months. It is impossible. I understand that many are talking about 'has the right to learn/must have the chance to change' for loyalty reasons. But I think it's not realistic. To learn a new tactical approach is much different from changing the fundamental way to touch a football.

 

[Phil1]

Marvin continuing to have a nightmare in this thread I see.
I quite like the terms 'Hart haters' and 'boo boys' being used as well. If that doesn't win the argument then I don't know what will..

 

[Delphacito]

Great post.

Hart made a stupid pass to an equally stupid and oblivious Demichelis, who was forced to rush and underhit his return to Hart.

I know it's been discussed before, and Fernando's technique was obviously abysmal, but Hart is wide of his goal when he makes a stupid pass across the face of his area, it increased the margin for error against Paris.

I'll go as far as to say, Pep has known it from day one.

When Bayern came and handed us a lesson at the Etihad the very first time, the whole gameplan was to make Hart kick it long, knowing he has little confidence to make the pass.

You could argue Liverpool in all our recent encounters, have done exactly the same.

Basically every team that presses us. Including the Spurs.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

Marvin continuing to have a nightmare in this thread I see.
I quite like the terms 'Hart haters' and 'boo boys' being used as well. If that doesn't win the argument then I don't know what will..

It's intentional, he slips up too many times for it to be stupidity.... Starving, is simply another in a line of mediocre Wums. At least GDM tries to bamboozle with a thesaurus!!!

 

[Phil1]

It's intentional, he slips up too many times for it to be stupidity.... Starving, is simply another in a line of mediocre Wums. At least GDM tries to bamboozle with a thesaurus!!!

His last post I replied to stating that Hart has no issues at all with his distribution was the tipping point for me.

 

[supercity88]

It's been said by many, and I agree, that whilst Joe might develop more confidence on the ball his speed of thought might never get to where he needs to be to implement the style of play Pep wants to see. We will be able to see very quickly what happens in that regard. I noticed Pep clapping when Caballero tried to pass out under pressure, though it was an abysmal attempt. Clearly he's happier seeing the team play to his requirements even when everything in my head is screaming if in doubt kick it out!

That's the main reason I'm very nervous going into this season. I've not seen any improvement from Caballero in terms of ability to pass out under pressure. I've seen numerous mistakes from our defenders, though Otamendi and Stones should be more assured. I'd like to have seen more from Hart but trust that in training they'll be doing it day in day out under intense pressing from the players on the other team in the training scenario.

It's obvious to most of us that we need a keeper comfortable on the ball to give Hart real pressure to improve in that area and retain the no.1 spot. The club have known Pep was to arrive for a while but we've not done a huge amount for the right now in terms of keeper and defence. I get reasoning behind holding fire on midfield targets because waiting in the hope we can pursuade Kroos/Alcantara to sign will transform us significantly in comparison to buying what we can now and we'll still see a huge improvement in our midfield simply with the addition of Gundogan and Pep's tactics.

Defensively though, you can either play his system or you can't and at the moment I'm nervous about it going into our first game. If any other side watched the Arsenal game they'll see that it remains very easy to get at our defence and that through pressing us they'll create chances with ease. It might be a case that until we nail that we'll just have to score more than we concede which Pep has alluded to when talking about Stones (to some degree) - when he said he might make a mistake that leads to a couple of goals a season but through playing out from the back can start a move that leads to 8 or 9 goals...

 

[pudge]

I look forward to Hart being our number one this season and the next season and the season after that etc.

We've already had how Mangala was going to be special under Pep. We also had how supercalifragilisticexpialidocious Nasri was going to be under Pep too. A lot of folk going for the hat trick with how little time Hart has left.

As for Ter Stegan, I'll take any wager proposed that there's a less than zero chance of anything happening regarding a transfer. Hopefully someone takes me up on that instead of ignoring it like my Mangala proposition.

 

[01cravend]

I agree that Hart just doesn't fit Guardiola's blueprint of a goalkeeper and if he were to be replaced it should be by a one very comfortable on the ball, just don't think it should be by this one.

 

[Centurions]

I look forward to Hart being our number one this season and the next season and the season after that etc.

We've already had how Mangala was going to be special under Pep. We also had how supercalifragilisticexpialidocious Nasri was going to be under Pep too. A lot of folk going for the hat trick with how little time Hart has left.

As for Ter Stegan, I'll take any wager proposed that there's a less than zero chance of anything happening regarding a transfer. Hopefully someone takes me up on that instead of ignoring it like my Mangala proposition.

People have been ignoring you? You surprise me ;)

 

[Ric]

Back on topic, I think there's very little chance of us signing Stegen. We're far more likely to get Bravo I would've thought.

 

[Marvin]

Marvin continuing to have a nightmare in this thread I see.
I quite like the terms 'Hart haters' and 'boo boys' being used as well. If that doesn't win the argument then I don't know what will..

What is the point of discussing football with people who just go on and insult you? I really don't understand this mentality. You're on ignore. I see quite a lot of this on this message board, and it's out of order.