Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

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Just seen a report on Facebook from someone who is very reliable MCFCjustsayin, no chance Joe is playing for us again.
 
Nasri's Hair said:
I think his shit euros and being dropped by Pep have really hurt what we can get for him. I think pre euros we were looking at 30-40 million. Now 25 seems a lot more realistic.
It doesn't help that many of the teams who would pay a large fee have keepers currently perceived to be better or at least just as good as Joe.
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this will be another stick for the press to beat us with,
 
@Metalartin thanks mate.

You could see player power with other players more I guess. Either way looks like he is off. Too many papers reporting it now.
 
Metalartin said:
Ah sorry then, have to be wary of sarcasm onb bluemoon haha. I'll try and do a quick summary off the top of my head.

Apparently the reason Pantilimon lost his place in goal in the Wigan final was because the players knew Mancini was getting the sack and they said they want Hart in so perhaps some players have been doing this for a while(can't just be Hart but he will be a good example to make I guess). Other than that the general gist of it is some people think it's matter of getting too big for his britches and Pep's spotted a player power issue with him. He didn't help matters by not doing as asked against Arsenal or making a clear effort at the very least and he apparently made it a bit too clear he wasn't happy he wouldn't be starting at the weekend when he found out.
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Just listened to the podcast (the 1h7m part at least) Very interesting stuff. I've always liked Joe as i think many of us have. But i also think he's a confident guy who at times may have crossed the extremely blurred line from confidence to arrogance. Personally, it used to annoy me (few years back) when after he'd make a big save he'd come up laughing and smiling instead of yelling at Lescott for passing the ball directly to the other teams striker and allowing the opportunity. With that being said, if he never allowed a goal in his career I think he'd probably be able to get away with banging Pep's wife and he'd still put him in the starting XI. The distribution is probably the main reason but I'm guessing Pep not really liking that type of cocky player played a part in his soon to be departure.

Honestly have no idea, just my best guess given the very little information we know about the situation.

I really think Bravo is a top 5-7 GK in the world (although i didn't realize how old he is) so i'm excited and surprised that he'll be in goal this year but it is sad to see Joe go. The CityTV YouTube channel will certainly not be as funny.
 
I'll say one thing he is daft if he took Pep on in any way. It is well known that there is no room for dissent/debate in his dressing room. There was no room for Ibrahimovic's ego/ inflexibility and any challenge will be a chance for Pep to show his authority. Joe would know this though surely, although you would think the same of Nasri, but he was silly enough to return unfit.
 
Absolutely gutted about these news. I've been cluthing straws until now, but it seems like it's 100 % over for Hart now. I'll always be grateful to him for his contributions during his time at our club.
 
Credo said:
If he stays and fights for his place he will become a better player under Pep, but that no longer appears a possibility.
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Why is it not a possibility? Pep can bring in Bravo instead of Caballero (who is no better than Hart) and give competition to Hart. Meanwhile, Hart can try to adapt to Pep's system and see how he fares in a season's time and then take a decision on him. Isn't that better for all ?
 
Won't losing Hart mean an even smaller senior playing squad?
I don't understand that.

Has Guardiola actually said anything to mean Hart's out?
 
My guess would be that Joe knew well before the Arsenal match that the writing was on the wall. A guy like Pep wouldn't just dump him after a 45 minute cameo. He's seen somethings in the overall package that he feels he can't work with, so unfortunately Joe has to go.
Just a shame we can't let him go without the tittle tattle and character assassination. He's done well for us and I'll be sorry to see him go but at the end of the day if he's not seen as a fit in the next phase of our evolution there's nowt that can be done about it. He moves on we move on. C'est la vie.
Farewell Joe. Thanks for the some wonderful memories.
 
vmsuhail said:
Why is it not a possibility? Pep can bring in Bravo instead of Caballero (who is no better than Hart) and give competition to Hart. Meanwhile, Hart can try to adapt to Pep's system and see how he fares in a season's time and then take a decision on him. Isn't that better for all ?
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Thing is Hart is a very good goal keeper who wouldn't want to sit on the bench. He had a poor Euros and wouldn't to put his English no. 1 in danger by being 2nd choice. It's pretty understandable.

If we were not getting Bravo, I would understand that let Joe be in the bench , till he is able to adapt to Pep. But clearly Pep doesn't want wait too long. If he sits on the bench, his place for the country is gone too.
 
I should think all keepers through the club from 8 to 18 will suddenly be assessing how good they are as passers rather than shot stoppers!

You could almost argue, and perhaps some of these better footwork keepers were already, that it could be wise to retrain a centre half who's slow, but decent with his feet on the art of shot stopping.

Reckon MDM with a years training would have been a better sweeper keeper than he was ever a centre half.
 
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