Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

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blueonblue said:
But then so is keeping the ball out of our net, something Hart is far more capable of doing than Willie on the worst f*cking day he ever had, my point is this is the wrong way to go about things, if Pep thinks Hart is ignoring the way he wants him to play then sort it out in the dressing room or the managers office, not putting in a keeper who everyone knows is not a patch on the guy sat on the bench under the glare of the media an making him look a c*nt.

This will put Harts back up an lead to aggro when there are far more pressing problems, not least the simple fact we do not have a competent replacement (IMO) in Willie.
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Your first sentence shows you still don't understand that Pep is in complete disagreement. The ball has less chance of coming anywhere near the fucking net if his game plan is stuck to. Not by giving up possession 50% (if we are lucky) of the time when the ball goes backwards to the keeper. It's all about retaining possession, inviting pressure (thus freeing up space in midfield).

The only person that can make Hart look a **** is Hart (I'm not saying he does look a ****), but ALL our players have to buy in to the game plan or there is no point in it.
 
Thaksinssoldier said:
Don't give him that much credit. Let's not forget his Angelino comments last year, where he tweeted "Angelino doesn't look good enough to ever play for city". I lost all respect for cheeseman after that. It's clear he has the hump with the club for being frozen out and seeing the likes of City Watch and Bluemoon Podcast etc move in and make his punditry etc seem well out of date.
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Cheeseman has not made this stuff up, he is as 'in' at City as it's possible to get.
 
Something must be not quite right, the last three managers have now all expressed doubts about Joe. Might be best for all for Joe to move on.
 
Joe Hart is a Birmingham City loving Mancini screaming Rooney loving kick it out of touch error prone dressing room agitating cock.

He was so much better that first year he came back from loan than he is now that it's ridiculous.

Worst thing Mancini did was give in to it and played Hart instead of Pantillimon in the FA Cup.
 
SWP's back said:
How so? You think he found out he wasn't playing at the stadium?
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Not at all, I was skeptical anyway, unless it was some super magical Pep-ism not to tell the players the team until everyone else found out, but the fact that the video display being smashed kept cropping up - I can only really think of the right hand side of the tunnel that is all video wall.
 
A case of a player who has got to big for his boots in my opinion. His behaviour just before the last England game in the tunnel was awful.

Yes we all love him for the success we have had recently. But we as fans knew Pep would want his keeper to play out from the back so surely Hart would have known this. With that in mind if I was Hart I'd have come back early to pre season held my hands up and said i need extra help with my passing and ball control and I'll put in all the hours I can to get better. Instead his first appearance for Pep and he hoofs it up the pitch time and time again.

A shame that he will go but we cannot hold on to someone who won't buy in to and adapt to Peps game plans.
 
SWP's back said:
How so? You think he found out he wasn't playing at the stadium?
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Yes,apparently it was at training on Friday evening, which was at the ground, that he was told Willy would start. He walked off the field and smashed one of the screens apparently. There is a picture of the smashed screen. Believe it's fixed when viewing tunnel cam, but Joe is seen looking at the screens when going out to warm up.
 
FanchesterCity said:
I have a lot of sympathy about the coaching bit - what's the point in being a coach if you're just going to spend to upgrade rather than coach...

However, you could also say that a really great coach can make a good assessment of a player and figure if something can be done, or if there's simply too little hope (if any).
A great swimming trainer won't turn you or me into Michael Phelps. Maybe Pep feels he could improve Joe, but not enough to reach the levels he's looking for?
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I understand this and as I said I'm 100% behind Pep but Joe Hart isn't just 'you and me' he's a professional player and a good one, 2x premier league, 2x league cup, 1x fa cup, 60 odd England caps, golden glove 4 times and a player we've seen strive with competition and/or being dropped. Im just disappointed we haven't seen Pep try and coach him as when it comes to the new generation of city legends he's certainly one with Kompany, Aguero, Zaba, Silva..
 
Not having that there is an English curse at City, but he has fallen foul to the 'English footballer disease'. Look at what's going on in Rio and how many of those medalists (and people doing PB's) get paid in a year what footballers get in a week? Many of them train for hours, most days of the week. Then you've got Murray, absolutely loaded, but driven to do better and better.
Then we have English footballers, happy to flounder about in a sea of mediocrity. Joe Hart, along with all of us, have known Guardiola was coming over 6 months ago. The fact he likes to build up from the back and not give cheap possession away cannot be a shock to anyone on here, but it seems to have caught Joe completely by surprise. Therein lies the problem with English footballers who are valued as much for being English as they are for their ability. He could have stayed behind 3-4 days a week and made his distribution better. He could have spent a few hours passing a football. Lee Trevino famously said; "the more I practice the luckier I get." He didn't say, the more shampoo I sell the better footballer I'll become!
 
OldBlueSam said:
Yes,apparently it was at training on Friday evening, which was at the ground, that he was told Willy would start. He walked off the field and smashed one of the screens apparently. There is a picture of the smashed screen. Believe it's fixed when viewing tunnel cam, but Joe is seen looking at the screens when going out to warm up.
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Ffs chinese whispers gone mad
 
itsnevereasy said:
A case of a player who has got to big for his boots in my opinion. His behaviour just before the last England game in the tunnel was awful.

Yes we all love him for the success we have had recently. But we as fans knew Pep would want his keeper to play out from the back so surely Hart would have known this. With that in mind if I was Hart I'd have come back early to pre season held my hands up and said i need extra help with my passing and ball control and I'll put in all the hours I can to get better. Instead his first appearance for Pep and he hoofs it up the pitch time and time again.

A shame that he will go but we cannot hold on to someone who won't buy in to and adapt to Peps game plans.
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What did he do in the tunnel before the england game?
 
bell_mcfc said:
I understand this and as I said I'm 100% behind Pep but Joe Hart isn't just 'you and me' he's a professional player and a good one, 2x premier league, 2x league cup, 1x fa cup, 60 odd England caps, golden glove 4 times and a player we've seen strive with competition and/or being dropped. Im just disappointed we haven't seen Pep try and coach him as when it comes to the new generation of city legends he's certainly one with Kompany, Aguero, Zaba, Silva..
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Maybe Pep doesn't rate him that highly as a keeper so improving his distribution skills is not worth the effort.
 
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