Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

[urban genie]

I really think hart has done alright for us, but he has faults that cannot be denied, Pep has said if a players tries to and gives it their all then he will give them time, I gather or must presume Hart isn't doing this or maybe just cannot because he ain't just technically good enough I don't think Pep is doing this because he want to make an example of him.

On the Joe being disruptive in the back ground I do remember Platt after being sacked said, hart was one of the the main ones sticking it to Bobby and he was going to get rid of him for begovic, because he didn't think Joe was good enough.

Anyway he ain't no Zab where I would be gutted if he went, I will trust our manager knows whats best in this instance, after all we are hadly like to be replacing a goal keeper of long standing with an Eike Immel nowadays

 

[kaz7]

Im in the camp that says its football and Pep just doesn't rate or want him. Shit happens, everyone will get over it.

If he did kick off who cares? I dont i know that.

I think pep doesn't fancy him which is fair enough,i can't really argue against that,i'm upset for joe as he loves this club,being forced out is not nice for anyone,but we move on

 

[MillionMilesAway]

If Hart leaves, the senior CL squad is going to be even thinner.

I assume keepers are told by Guardiola that the first rule is "don't concede", the second is "do it my way". Maybe he just doesn't think he's quite right for the season yet. There doesn't appear to have been anything concrete from anyone except media troublemaking.

 

[Metalartin]

Just listened to the podcast (the 1h7m part at least) Very interesting stuff. I've always liked Joe as i think many of us have. But i also think he's a confident guy who at times may have crossed the extremely blurred line from confidence to arrogance. Personally, it used to annoy me (few years back) when after he'd make a big save he'd come up laughing and smiling instead of yelling at Lescott for passing the ball directly to the other teams striker and allowing the opportunity. With that being said, if he never allowed a goal in his career I think he'd probably be able to get away with banging Pep's wife and he'd still put him in the starting XI. The distribution is probably the main reason but I'm guessing Pep not really liking that type of cocky player played a part in his soon to be departure.

Honestly have no idea, just my best guess given the very little information we know about the situation.

I really think Bravo is a top 5-7 GK in the world (although i didn't realize how old he is) so i'm excited and surprised that he'll be in goal this year but it is sad to see Joe go. The CityTV YouTube channel will certainly not be as funny.

Yeah I think it might be as Cheeseman said there's two things going against him one side is the distribution and footwork to his game and the other is Pep's come in and noticed the player power issue on top of it, then he throws a wobbler when he made the team selection and Pep's thought that's it then it's not going to work as much as he liked at the club(even the Chairman would have put a little resistance up I think on this one but probably saw what he was saying) there's too many problems here. If it were just the playing out from the back issue I'm sure he'd still be at the club and Pep would get him trained up(it's how he is, if players are willing to give their all) but it seems Joe hasn't helped himself at all since he's been back.

IF what's been said is true I can understand where Pep's coming from but I'm still gutted for him though I've always liked Hart, he does genuinely love the club and it will hurt him being moved on I can see that.

 

[Dax777]

I don't think a lot of the insults or putting down of Hart is necessary. Nor is the "I cant believe people are shitting on a legend" comebacks. This has nothing to do with that. Truth is Willy is a good keeper and has always been. So is Joe Hart. Pep feels much more comfortable going with the one he believes works better for his vision. No malice, just practical. I like Joe. He is a fine lad and a competitot. ANd losing his spot is bound to hurt, so no surprise there. Hope it all works out.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I appreciate that,i'm just not buying the smear rumours some attention seeking posters are hinting about,it's the secret dossier bollocks we had with bobby all over again,spit it out or shut up

Sorry I was just clearing my throat. It just sounded like Grobelaar.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

I'm sorry if you think I was getting personal,not my intention,but I'm really struggling,(as you can tell),to fathom this out,why he ain't in the team.

The answers to your questions,I'm 45,a season ticket holder for years,so I know a bit about football,I've always thought his distribution was shocking,but no different to any other keeper in the Prem,whose under pressure from a pressing forward closing them down,I think all have that flaw in their games.

The "soft" goals as they are described do appear to be down his left hand side,again,most notably again in the summer,playing for those useless bastards.

Is he better than the 2 Barca keepers ? I dunno,is he ? I'm only interested in the guy who plays in goal for us,so I don't follow the progress of the Barca keepers,as my knowledge in watching Spanish games,them and Madrid have very little to do most weekends anyway,and 1 only plays in Champs League games...strange decision to say the least

As much as it pains me to say it,he is probably not as good as De Gea,but he'd get in the other 3 sides I'd have thought yea,but again that is just my opinion.

If we had signed a keeper before the season started,I'd have raised an eyebrow,but we didn't so I fully expected him to start on Saturday,but he didn't,so this is now because Pep think's he's a troublemaker ?....I don't buy into that neither,and we got away with it on Saturday,just,as Sunderland were crap,but had one chance and scored.

When do we expect to see 1 of Bravo or Ter Stegen then in your opinion ?

I meant personal as in 'what's going on behind the scenes', I want to just concentrate on pure capabilities, nothing more, as in essence it's all he should be judged on, the other stuff will look after itself...

I'm not proclaiming to be some football Nostradamus or the next Rinus Michels, however, I've watched all manner of football for 30 years, since sliding under the turnstiles as a nipper, to buzzing my tits off when channel 4 secured Italian football (goalazooooooooo) where i could watch my heros weekly....

I've seen enough football to be able to compare and contrast styles and knew from day dot that hart would not meet the criteria, it's as clear as his receding hairline..

I asked your opinion on those players and you gave an honest answer, however, what sets them apart is they are proven in more than this league, but also how comfortable they are on the ball... Joe has consistently displayed panic stations in high intensity games, that is going to be 10 fold in our new set up as we will invite the opposition on, in my opinion, it's not even worth the risk with a guy who has had clear instructions previously, yet chosen to ignore those instructions...

I get the loyalty towards the man, he's just not my cup of tea, just like many on here can't stand yaya, I happen to think he's probably our greatest ever player, again opinion.

We may not even get a new keeper, who says that we manage to complete that before the 31st? However, a team with either bravo or Stegen, would be like night and day with hart in goal, in terms of productivity!!!

 

[blueparrot]

I spent all summer saying if the defenders were ready then Joe could learn to play out from the back. After Saturdays game I realised how wrong I was. The keeper is the foundation Peps whole philosophy is built on and the foundation needs to be solid for rest of the team to learn the system. We need a keeper who instinctively knows what is required so it happens quickly.
Joe may or may not be able to adapt, but he can't be learning in our first team.
I just wonder if Bravo comes in, Joe could go on loan for a year, maybe Seville to learn, then come back to replace Willy and try to show he has adapted competing with Bravo who'll be 35 by then.

 

[Charlesfarsbar]

Hart is not city through and through like some seem to be stating, I don't remember any quotes / interviews where he came across as REALLY loving the club

Compare this to Zabba or Kompany, true blue legends who you can tell would and have bled for the shirt

I guess he's taken his lead from his big mate rug head, make out you love the club and its fans when really they are just their to stoke your massive ego and wage packet

He has too many faults to be our number one going forward, thanks Joe you'll go down in history for your part in the resurgence of this great club, but you will never be seen as a great I'm afraid

 

[Englisc]

I firmly believe Joe will pull us out of the shit again this season and get his form back.

 

[levets]

Better than most is no longer good enough for any of our players. We are aiming for 'nobody obviously better'. We are nowhere near the best in Europe and we want to be the very best. That means SIGNIFICANT improvements - we've done that with the manager (hopefully), and we are doing that with the tactics and workrate (hopefully), but we can't escape the obvious - needing to do that with players too.

In an ideal world, Pep would work his magic on every current player, they'd all fall in love with City and become the new improved Barcelona and the entire would would marvel at us. Or... we could take off our sky blue glasses and say 'he's good, but not THAT good', or 'he's been a great, but it's time to let go' or 'having the skill is great, but without the workrate it's not enough'. I'm not talking specifically about Hart here, but any player. What we currently have is not good enough to win CL. It's not even good enough to win the PL consistently. Things have to change, and we'll just have to go along with Pep's judgment.

All of that said, I'm not in the 'Pep is God' camp. He will make mistakes. Ferguson did. Paisley did (though not many!), Clough did. Chances are, he won't be able to make us Barca in 3 years. But hopefully he'll get us as close as anybody else possibly could, ready for the next guy to get us closer still.

I can't type too much nowadays. But that is a good response.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

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I don't think a lot of the insults or putting down of Hart is necessary. Nor is the "I cant believe people are shitting on a legend" comebacks. This has nothing to do with that. Truth is Willy is a good keeper and has always been. So is Joe Hart. Pep feels much more comfortable going with the one he believes works better for his vision. No malice, just practical. I like Joe. He is a fine lad and a competitot. ANd losing his spot is bound to hurt, so no surprise there. Hope it all works out.

I do think that is relevant. City fans acknowledge he is going and are sad about it, but it has to happen.

But there are some who are just downright abusive about him. I honestly think those fans are part time glory hunters with no emotional tie to the team and players.

Sad to see him go, I still believe he would be better all round but he's got to get his act sorted out. As for the rest of the gossip bullshit on here, it's gossip bullshit

 

[meeesh]

Hart is not city through and through like some seem to be stating, I don't remember any quotes / interviews where he came across as REALLY loving the club

Compare this to Zabba or Kompany, true blue legends who you can tell would and have bled for the shirt

I guess he's taken his lead from his big mate rug head, make out you love the club and its fans when really they are just their to stoke your massive ego and wage packet

He has too many faults to be our number one going forward, thanks Joe you'll go down in history for your part in the resurgence of this great club, but you will never be seen as a great I'm afraid

Players come and go,we know that very well,Joe Corrigan was the first keeper I grew up with followed by a helping hand from Alex Williams,but now I will raise you,Perry Suckling,Andy Dibble,Eike Immel and not knowing how old you are,them guys were absolute dog shit compared to what Joe Hart has done and been for us,he will go down as a great in my eyes,and many others I'm sure

 

[almir]

He's amongst the worlds best, goalkeeping wise. Unfortunately it sounds like he's not willing to improve his distribution skills and would prefer to throw his toys out the pram. I'll be gutted if he leaves, city through and through like zaba and vinnie. But we've now got the best manager in the world, high profile departures should be respected as long as there's a reason behind it.

Not anymore. His flaw down the left is well known and heavily exploited by players. Not world class on crosses too and bad in distributing. One thing he is one of the best is one on one situations.

Anyway, he's nowhere near his best from few years ago and there are many, many keepers at least as good as him.

 

[schfc6]

Players come and go,we know that very well,Joe Corrigan was the first keeper I grew up with followed by a helping hand from Alex Williams,but now I will raise you,Perry Suckling,Andy Dibble,Eike Immel and not knowing how old you are,them guys were absolute dog shit compared to what Joe Hart has done and been for us,he will go down as a great in my eyes,and many others I'm sure

He's good but can he run the channels like Margetson?

 

[Metalartin]

I hope the rumors are false personally, if it is a matter of adapting his game the way some of you are making out it's "impossible" to learn "at Joe's age" get a grip he's an athlete he's been playing football for most of his life we aren't talking about dragging someone off the street, if he really wants to improve his game for footwork and sweeping he will(whether that will happen I don't know but I'm not buying "it can't be done" that's stupid history books will show you that players can adapt dramatically).

Also it's apparent people have short memories here if you're doubting Joe's shot stopping too much, there's saves Joe's pulled off that I've yet to see Bravo come close to.

 

[Phil1]

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I do think that is relevant. City fans acknowledge he is going and are sad about it, but it has to happen.

But there are some who are just downright abusive about him. I honestly think those fans are part time glory hunters with no emotional tie to the team and players.

Sad to see him go, I still believe he would be better all round but he's got to get his act sorted out. As for the rest of the gossip bullshit on here, it's gossip bullshit

Name names.

 

[Englisc]

Andy Dibble.....now he is a legend,then again i liked Nicky Weaver and will always remember that day and his celebration.
But agree they will never be in Joe's class,if he does leave it will be a sad day.But we move on,we have to.

 

[Thenumber1blue]

Not anymore. His flaw down the left is well known and heavily exploited by players. Not world class on crosses too and bad in distributing. One thing he is one of the best is one on one situations.

Anyway, he's nowhere near his best from few years ago and there are many, many keepers at least as good as him.

Correct,agree with all of that.You missed out,can't command his area and decision making is poor,including not sure when to come or stay,catch or punch !

 

[meeesh]

He's good but can he run the channels like Margetson?

Now there's a keeper lol,good old MM