PL and CL squad rules: homegrown

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As I always have to look up those confusing terms, I have done some homework now.
I thought it would be worth a new thread to easily find these details in opening post.

Tried to keep it easy and left out some inferior parts. Hope it helps a bit. :)
Have fun everybody!


Premier League (not relevant for City)

1) squad of 25 with a minimum of 8 home-grown players‪ (academy or club-trained)
2) home-grown means: 3 entire seasons at FA before he is 21 (or the end of the season during which he turns 21), continuous or not
3) unlimited additional players under the age of 21 on 1st January in the year in which the season commences
4) Changes to the squad list made during the transfer window


UEFA Champions League or Europe League:

1) 25 players on List A, 2 of whom must be goalkeepers. 17 of those 25 are free or 'foreign' spots.
2) minimum 8 of those 25 must be "homegrown": „club-trained“ or up to 4 „associated-trained“
3) "association-trained player": at FA club for 3 entire seasons before aged 21 (or the end of the season during which he turns 21)
4) minimum 4 "club-trained players": at current club for a period, continuous or not, of 3 entire seasons (i.e. A period starting with the first official match of the relevant national championship and ending with the last official match of that relevant national championship)
5) unlimited number of players on List B, which must be submitted by no later than 24.00CET on the day before the match.
6) List B means he is born on or after 1 January in the year he turns 21 and at the club concerned for any uninterrupted period of two years


Up-to-date sources are:
for PL this:
http://www.epfl-europeanleagues.com/quota_for_Premier_League.htm
and for UEFA this:
http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles.../Regulations/02/35/87/89/2358789_DOWNLOAD.pdf
 
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The wording of "the minimum of 8 home grown" is misleading.

For the CL we could have a squad of 17 foreigners and no home grown players.
 
SWP's back said:
Looks perfect n
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Thanks mate!

So looking at it, do you agree Denayer is not homegrown for PL nor UEFA as he turned 21 this June and just had 2 seasons at an associated club (2013/14 CIty, 2014/15 Celtic)?

He never was and being 21 already he never will be homegrown, isn't that right?
He even wouldn't register on UEFA B list until end of 2016 as he only stayed 1 season at City, 'the club concerned'.

What's your say?
 
St.Pauli support said:
Thanks mate!

So looking at it, do you agree Denayer is not homegrown for PL nor UEFA as he turned 21 this June and just had 2 seasons at an associated club (2013/14 CIty, 2014/15 Celtic)?

He never was and being 21 already he never will be homegrown, isn't that right?
He even wouldn't register on UEFA B list until end of 2016 as he only stayed 1 season at City, 'the club concerned'.

What's your say?
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When did he sign? Summer 2013. That makes him three years with our registration and he was under 21 in January. City. Celtic. Gala.

So I'd think that does make him HG.
 
SWP's back said:
When did he sign? Summer 2013. That makes him three years with our registration and he was under 21 in January. City. Celtic. Gala.

So I'd think that does make him HG.
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OK, but when he was at Gala being non-associated with the FA, he surely cannot be registered at the FA at the same time, can he?
Does a loan outside UK indeed count for being homegrown?
Are you sure?
 
St.Pauli support said:
OK, but when he was at Gala being non-associated with the FA, he surely cannot be registered at the FA at the same time, can he?
Does a loan outside UK indeed count for being homegrown?
Are you sure?
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He's still registered with us when he's on loan.
 
St.Pauli support said:
OK, but when he was at Gala being non-associated with the FA, he surely cannot be registered at the FA at the same time, can he?
Does a loan outside UK indeed count for being homegrown?
Are you sure?
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We still held his registration though bud. And Celtic would have also discounted him from being registered with the FA following that logic.

I guess time will tell but I very much doubt we will see much of him barring a glut of injuries.
 
SWP's back said:
We still held his registration though bud. And Celtic would have also discounted him from being registered with the FA following that logic.

I guess time will tell but I very much doubt we will see much of him barring a glut of injuries.
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Me again! :)

According to 2016 FIFA regulations,
"A player may only be registered with one club at a time."
http://resources.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/administration/02/70/95/52/regulationsonthestatusandtransferofplayersjune2016_e_neutral.pdf

As Gala is a non-affiliate association - being outside England and Wales - the loan cannot contribute to Denayer's HG status.
And yes, same is true for Celtic, my mistake.

I am not aware of any player having HG status after loan spells outside England and Wales.

My conclusion is: Denayer does not count as home grown.
 
99% of time people who cite video games on football forums are annoying but in this case I think it's relevant.

In football manager, Denayer isn't classified as homegrown (a highly frustrating fact). FM tends to get these things spot on, as it's a pretty big of the game's appeal, so I'd think foreign loans don't count for a player being homegrown.
 
Sorry if this has been covered before but am I not reading the rule right

Why is Kelechi Ibeanacho born Oct 1996 joined City Jan 2014 not on the B list champ Lg squad.

A player may be registered on List B if he is born on or after 1 January 1995 and
has been eligible to play for the club concerned for any uninterrupted period of
two years since his 15th birthday by the time he is registered with UEFA. Players
aged 16 may be registered on List B if they have been registered with the
participating club for the previous two years without interruption.
 
murcian blue said:
Sorry if this has been covered before but am I not reading the rule right

Why is Kelechi Ibeanacho born Oct 1996 joined City Jan 2014 not on the B list champ Lg squad.

A player may be registered on List B if he is born on or after 1 January 1995 and
has been eligible to play for the club concerned for any uninterrupted period of
two years since his 15th birthday by the time he is registered with UEFA. Players
aged 16 may be registered on List B if they have been registered with the
participating club for the previous two years without interruption.
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Because he wasn't eligible to play until he was granted a work permit.
 
Kyle B said:
99% of time people who cite video games on football forums are annoying but in this case I think it's relevant.

In football manager, Denayer isn't classified as homegrown (a highly frustrating fact). FM tends to get these things spot on, as it's a pretty big of the game's appeal, so I'd think foreign loans don't count for a player being homegrown.
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What about "club trained"? I'm thinking here of Harry Kane, I could be wrong but I don't believe he spent three years at Spurs uninterrupted between the age of 15 and 21. Does that mean he can't take a "club trained" spot for Spurs in UEFA competitions?
 
Does anyone have a breakdown of who are homegrown and/or A and B list players are from our squad?
 
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