Etihad atmosphere

Not great again at weekend.

You can have your flags, bananas, singing sections, ticker tape etc etc etc but nothing will fix the root cause of the problem. I admire those for trying to get something going, and this isn't a dig at them, they are doing a great job with a very difficult fanbase to motivate.

People will complain about ticket prices etc, but that affects people not going, not the ones that have gone to the game and still sit quiet. Not sure if it was a full house on Sunday but there were plenty there anyway.

The problem is the fans, it's as simple as that. The sense of entitlement, I hear it every home game. Boos at HT, FT (people can deny it as much as they want, but I can hear just fine). Some of the horrendous abuse players get for making a mistake, or not seeing the right pass, or making the wrong decision is disgusting.

It's not the whole fanbase, but large sections of it. I can't see it getting any better and it seems to be the price of success. Away games are much better but the abuse still the same when mistakes are made.

The only noise we seem to hear is the roars of "encouragement" when chasing a game. The fans expect us to win and the place is flat unless we are winning or trying to get a winner.

Then you leave the ground and overhear people's converstations "fucking disgrace" "pep doesn't know what the fuck he's doing" etc etc. All after 1-1 draws against a good Southampton side and an Everton side that defended better than I've ever seen at the Etihad and Maine Road. Before people question where I sit and blame a small section of idiots, I read the same things on here after the game. Don't even get me started on match day threads on here.

I await the usual "another fan slagging of the atmosphere" rhetoric but whilst the thread is still going with ideas of how to improve it, the topic is still relevant and the issue is still the same, and it won't be fixed by inflatable bananas. Don't ask me what my bright idea is to sort it out either, i've no idea.

I don't even think there is a fix, this is City's modern day fanbase whether we like it or not. There's more to supporting a team than singing bluemoon when 3-0 up.
 
Celtic run of the mill home league games would have a reasonable atmosphere at them these days. The crowd in the standing section generate this and chant the whole game.

It works both ways. A ground that's bouncing with atmosphere would lift the players a lot. Flat fans, flat team on many occasions.

Many fans of other clubs would give anything for what we have now. Time for a bit of positivity and buzz.
 
Agree that the atmosphere was flat but I don't think that the TV is 100% accurate in recording it. Microphones are set up differently, sound balanced altered etc.

Oh, and if you booed at half time, you're a dick.
 
JPAMCR said:
Agree that the atmosphere was flat but I don't think that the TV is 100% accurate in recording it. Microphones are set up differently, sound balanced altered etc.

Oh, and if you booed at half time, you're a dick.
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While I agree the TV isn't the best source but it was noticed by the commentators on the radio and they aren't usually one for playing up to the Emptyhad - it was "eerily" quiet as Quinn said.

I think the problem is that there were understandably some nerves going in, and then the players were just so poor and disjointed. We lost possession every 3rd pass. Everythign was overhit or underhit - there was literally nothing to get the crowd to cheer for.

As soon as the players turned up in the second half, so did the crowd. I can't imagine Sky decided to completely alter the sound set up on the tv at half time either.
 
markbmcfc said:
Not great again at weekend.

You can have your flags, bananas, singing sections, ticker tape etc etc etc but nothing will fix the root cause of the problem. I admire those for trying to get something going, and this isn't a dig at them, they are doing a great job with a very difficult fanbase to motivate.

People will complain about ticket prices etc, but that affects people not going, not the ones that have gone to the game and still sit quiet. Not sure if it was a full house on Sunday but there were plenty there anyway.

The problem is the fans, it's as simple as that. The sense of entitlement, I hear it every home game. Boos at HT, FT (people can deny it as much as they want, but I can hear just fine). Some of the horrendous abuse players get for making a mistake, or not seeing the right pass, or making the wrong decision is disgusting.

It's not the whole fanbase, but large sections of it. I can't see it getting any better and it seems to be the price of success. Away games are much better but the abuse still the same when mistakes are made.

The only noise we seem to hear is the roars of "encouragement" when chasing a game. The fans expect us to win and the place is flat unless we are winning or trying to get a winner.

Then you leave the ground and overhear people's converstations "fucking disgrace" "pep doesn't know what the fuck he's doing" etc etc. All after 1-1 draws against a good Southampton side and an Everton side that defended better than I've ever seen at the Etihad and Maine Road. Before people question where I sit and blame a small section of idiots, I read the same things on here after the game. Don't even get me started on match day threads on here.

I await the usual "another fan slagging of the atmosphere" rhetoric but whilst the thread is still going with ideas of how to improve it, the topic is still relevant and the issue is still the same, and it won't be fixed by inflatable bananas. Don't ask me what my bright idea is to sort it out either, i've no idea.

I don't even think there is a fix, this is City's modern day fanbase whether we like it or not. There's more to supporting a team than singing bluemoon when 3-0 up.
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Genuine question, name me the grounds in the prem where the atmosphere is bouncing every game? Especially when the team are playing awful and getting beat.
 
markbmcfc said:
Not great again at weekend.

You can have your flags, bananas, singing sections, ticker tape etc etc etc but nothing will fix the root cause of the problem. I admire those for trying to get something going, and this isn't a dig at them, they are doing a great job with a very difficult fanbase to motivate.

People will complain about ticket prices etc, but that affects people not going, not the ones that have gone to the game and still sit quiet. Not sure if it was a full house on Sunday but there were plenty there anyway.

The problem is the fans, it's as simple as that. The sense of entitlement, I hear it every home game. Boos at HT, FT (people can deny it as much as they want, but I can hear just fine). Some of the horrendous abuse players get for making a mistake, or not seeing the right pass, or making the wrong decision is disgusting.

It's not the whole fanbase, but large sections of it. I can't see it getting any better and it seems to be the price of success. Away games are much better but the abuse still the same when mistakes are made.

The only noise we seem to hear is the roars of "encouragement" when chasing a game. The fans expect us to win and the place is flat unless we are winning or trying to get a winner.

Then you leave the ground and overhear people's converstations "fucking disgrace" "pep doesn't know what the fuck he's doing" etc etc. All after 1-1 draws against a good Southampton side and an Everton side that defended better than I've ever seen at the Etihad and Maine Road. Before people question where I sit and blame a small section of idiots, I read the same things on here after the game. Don't even get me started on match day threads on here.

I await the usual "another fan slagging of the atmosphere" rhetoric but whilst the thread is still going with ideas of how to improve it, the topic is still relevant and the issue is still the same, and it won't be fixed by inflatable bananas. Don't ask me what my bright idea is to sort it out either, i've no idea.

I don't even think there is a fix, this is City's modern day fanbase whether we like it or not. There's more to supporting a team than singing bluemoon when 3-0 up.
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Yes cos I remember those hot atmospheres at Maine road when we played our big rivals southampton. People forget there are some games where we have passionate rivalry, Liverpool clubs, rags, Leeds . Usually when the opposition bring a big following and there is a bit of history.

As for the post match discussions about that was crap or he did not play well etc. That's football. I can assure you pep and the players did not hear me and won't be affected by me and my dads post match discusssion about the game!
 
And before anyone says it's the 'new' fans it really isn't. Guys who sit near me in their 30's, 40's and 50's do not support the team until we are three up. They've been going for ever but are now fat, lazy, entitled , silent, crap fans. But they do enjoy a good 'boo'.
 
willipp said:
Genuine question, name me the grounds in the prem where the atmosphere is bouncing every game? Especially when the team are playing awful and getting beat.
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We weren't playing awful, but this is part of the problem. The barometer for judging performance has changed so much with expectations that sections of our home crowd have seemingly forgotten what awful, or similar, actually is. For context, this was awful: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6185673.stm

We don't have a divine right to win every game, but the sense of desperation and expectation to do so reflects in the atmosphere.

I don't expect the place bouncing every game, and in answer to your question there isn't a ground that is. However, i'd suspect there aren't many that boo when top of the league after drawing, either. Maybe one or two obvious candidates - but do we want to be part of that group?
 
markbmcfc said:
We weren't playing awful, but this is part of the problem. The barometer for judging performance has changed so much with expectations that sections of our home crowd have seemingly forgotten what awful, or similar, actually is. For context, this was awful: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6185673.stm

We don't have a divine right to win every game, but the sense of desperation and expectation to do so reflects in the atmosphere.

I don't expect the place bouncing every game, and in answer to your question there isn't a ground that is. However, i'd suspect there aren't many that boo when top of the league after drawing, either. Maybe one or two obvious candidates - but do we want to be part of that group?
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To be honest we were awful in the first half by our standards. Was everyone booing the team or the Ref/Southampton time wasting tactics? I would have thought a bit of both. lets face it football is a bit of a pantomime nowadays anyway with all this shitty razzamatazz pre, during and after the game. That players getting off the coach bit......"Here comes our Ginger Prince.." cringe
 
City fans are quiet, that the top and bottom of it..

The only time we have a decent atmosphere is when we play utd ,liverpool or if we are chasing the game after coming from behind..

I feel embarassed at some of the Champs League games, the away fans are always louder than us..

Pep must be thinking, what has he let himself in for..

There is not much we can do about it really, if people dont want to shout and sing at the game, what can we do to get them to change.
 
There's a guy in our block who turns up late and then spends the next ten minutes phoning half-time beer orders through to one of his mates.

Our audible support during home games must be the worst in the league, which is strange because when the crowd fears the worst, they leave it until the last five minutes to try and motivate the team?
 
markbmcfc said:
We weren't playing awful, but this is part of the problem. The barometer for judging performance has changed so much with expectations that sections of our home crowd have seemingly forgotten what awful, or similar, actually is. For context, this was awful: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6185673.stm

We don't have a divine right to win every game, but the sense of desperation and expectation to do so reflects in the atmosphere.

I don't expect the place bouncing every game, and in answer to your question there isn't a ground that is. However, i'd suspect there aren't many that boo when top of the league after drawing, either. Maybe one or two obvious candidates - but do we want to be part of that group?
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The booing, which i could barely hear i would suspect was a miniority and quite possible born out of frustration for their time wasting and inept refereeing. I don't know for definite, but i give the majority of our fans credit as not to boo our team when we are top of the league and just drawn. I'd disagree about being awful, first half was extremely poor and that set the tone for the atmosphere. I agree we don't have a devine right to win, but i do think we should expect to win. I think we are the best team in this league and when the players put in a shit house first half performance like yesterday then that is reflected in the crowd.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
There's a guy in our block who turns up late and then spends the next ten minutes phoning half-time beer orders through to one of his mates.

Our audible support during home games must be the worst in the league, which is strange because when the crowd fears the worst, they leave it until the last five minutes to try and motivate the team?
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THeres a guy in our block who does nowt else but spend the first ten minutes staring at me while I phone me beer order in....at least I'm making some noise.....
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
There's a guy in our block who turns up late and then spends the next ten minutes phoning half-time beer orders through to one of his mates.

Our audible support during home games must be the worst in the league, which is strange because when the crowd fears the worst, they leave it until the last five minutes to try and motivate the team?
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My block full of folk like that as well.

It's amazing how important beer is to people at the match. Never quite understood it myself.
 
I think the flatness this season derives from a naivety within our fan base towards the style of play Pep is trying to implement.
Boring, backwards, sideways.
Call it whatever you like, but it's a patient approach that bases itself on controlling games as opposed to a gung-ho, we attack, you attack system.
Quite a few have come on here criticising and asking him to change.
It won't happen.

We're playing sublime football at times so the excuse that we need the players to drive us on as fans doesn't wash with me.
This is clearly something that's been highlighted within the dressing room too as Pep has twice tried to address the fans on the matter of atmosphere.
 
Kyle_Mck said:
Before I begin, I understand this post may offend some and I want to apologise in advance.

Watching the Southampton game back last night and around the time of Stones' ruled out goal, player shouts were clear as day and the referee whistle was heard echoing around the ground.
I couldn't help but think that was the flattest a Premier League game has sounded.
Of course, I only had to go back a previous week to the Everton game where I thought the same.
An excellent performance being greeted by an overwhelming flatness from our part.
The 1894 Group are excellent.
They bring fantastic visuals and try their best to generate a buzz, but that can only go so far with the constant pessimism in the terraces.
Backwards passes greeted with sighs and calls for a more direct, Stoke approach are becoming an increasing concern.
BlueMoonRising TV is one of my favourite fan mediums and I check it as often as a new video permits.
In the past 4 day there's been a a guy asking for Txiki to be sacked and the board restructured.
This is the same board that was the main driving point in Peps arrival.
Another video yesterday had a fan quick to jump into the 'I never wanted Pep in the first place' camp.
I understand fan views DO NOT represent BMR so this is no slight on them, I understand that everyone is entitled to an opinion and I also understand that we don't all enjoy possession football.
However, I find it very concerning that 9 games into a PL season (which we sit top of) that we already have fans with that sort of attitude.
Pessimism is something which spreads round the ground very quickly and before too long those boo's at half time will be directed at the team and not the referee.

We've recently been to Celtic Park and witnessed one of the best atmospheres in Europe (IMO).
If anyone believes the ability of that Celtic XI alone pushed them over the line then you need to sit down and have word.
I've been in that ground half empty, drenched in rain and and managed by Ronny Deila whilst the Green Brigade still manage to create a real buzz about the place.

Generating an atmosphere works both ways.
The players put on a show, we respond, and vise versa.
We are playing some of the best football seen at City in my lifetime so why aren't we as fans doing our part?
Ultimately results are everything, I get that and trying to avoid going through the cliche list... they will come.
Get behind the team, be patient, get off David Silvas back for not shooting and try adopt a more open mentality to this completely new approach to our play.

Queue the, 'I paid for this seat and I'll do whatever I like' brigade.
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This exactly my friend.
 
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