Defence conundrum

You can't win a league with a bad defence.
We need to sort it and sort it now.
If 3 at the back isn't working, don't play 4 at the back. Playing a 3 is fine but you need 3 good defenders in there for it to work. We haven't got that
 
Stones and Ottamendi are Kompanys replacements ,and no neither is as good, but get your vids out of a young Kompany when we first moved him back to cb , his runs forward long passing and his closing players quickly down were the best in the business . well i have watched Van Dijk for a few years now and he does just that albeit on the left



Otamendi is fast becoming a liability in this system, and I dont need to get my vid out, I dont want someone as good as the young Kompany. I`d like some as good as the Kompany who use to not give Rooney and ect a kick.
 
Otamendi is fast becoming a liability in this system, and I dont need to get my vid out, I dont want someone as good as the young Kompany. I`d like some as good as the Kompany who use to not give Rooney and ect a kick.

Kolarov, who isnt a natural centre back, has actually been better than Otamendi for me, which is quite frightening really.

Otamendi's efforts against Costa for their 1st and 2nd goal were shockingly bad. Costa did well with his touch on the first but Otamendi was no where near tight or strong enough. On the 2nd goal he left us exlosed by leaving his position to try and intercept Costa, who simply turned around with the ball leaving a huge hole in the defence.
 
Kolarov, who isnt a natural centre back, has actually been better than Otamendi for me, which is quite frightening really.

Otamendi's efforts against Costa for their 1st and 2nd goal were shockingly bad. Costa did well with his touch on the first but Otamendi was no where near tight or strong enough. On the 2nd goal he left us exlosed by leaving his position to try and intercept Costa, who simply turned around with the ball leaving a huge hole in the defence.




Costa bossed Otamendi he didnt do that with Kompany. Even Mangala in I think his first City game had Costa in his pocket
 
It's easy not to make a mistake if you don't commit yourself and I felt Otamendi was over-commiting himself because it was all on him to put the tackles in.
 
Clichy, Kolorov, Otamendi and possibly Zabaleta are not up to it now.

So that's four out of six players that we can't rely on.

Throw in a young Stones who looks a bit weak at times and a keeper who has yet to convince and it doesn't take Einstein to work out we have problems.

Why this wasn't addressed in the summer god only knows. It's too late for this season. There will not be anything decent available in Jan unless we can find a loan signing from somewhere.

It will have to be summer and it will probably be another season then until they are all bedded in.

Fortunately our start has kept us in it but that could well change by the end of Dec if this isn't sorted out quickly.
Pep needs to find a solution quickly.
 
Clichy, Kolorov, Otamendi and possibly Zabaleta are not up to it now.

So that's four out of six players that we can't rely on.

Throw in a young Stones who looks a bit weak at times and a keeper who has yet to convince and it doesn't take Einstein to work out we have problems.

Why this wasn't addressed in the summer god only knows. It's too late for this season. There will not be anything decent available in Jan unless we can find a loan signing from somewhere.

It will have to be summer and it will probably be another season then until they are all bedded in.

Fortunately our start has kept us in it but that could well change by the end of Dec if this isn't sorted out quickly.
Pep needs to find a solution quickly.
It would look a lot stronger a defence if Kompany returned.

I don't know why Guardiola keeps persisting with Clichy in advanced positions. He's a left-back and nothing else. Not at the level we're trying to play at.

I'd rather play Delph at least he would get in the box. We put countless really good crosses into the box v Chelsea and rarely did we get on the end of them. That is a weakness in this team.....in addition to the defence. I'd play Tosin now instead of Stones. he couldn't do any worse.
 
Kolarov, who isnt a natural centre back, has actually been better than Otamendi for me, which is quite frightening really.

Otamendi's efforts against Costa for their 1st and 2nd goal were shockingly bad. Costa did well with his touch on the first but Otamendi was no where near tight or strong enough. On the 2nd goal he left us exlosed by leaving his position to try and intercept Costa, who simply turned around with the ball leaving a huge hole in the defence.


Kolarov is OK at CB. He's slow which makes him vulnerable, but that should be something the other 2 could make up for. He's not the liability Otamendi is.

Otamendi is physically unable to deal with anyone, and his reading of the game is awful - as shown by how many times he charges out and gets nowhere near the ball - and what's worse is he's not fast himself so when he fucks up he's got no chance of recovering.
 
It would look a lot stronger a defence if Kompany returned.

I don't know why Guardiola keeps persisting with Clichy in advanced positions. He's a left-back and nothing else. Not at the level we're trying to play at.

I'd rather play Delph at least he would get in the box. We put countless really good crosses into the box v Chelsea and rarely did we get on the end of them. That is a weakness in this team.....in addition to the defence. I'd play Tosin now instead of Stones. he couldn't do any worse.


Clichy is a left back who can neither attack nor defend.

I think we forget how limited he is because he usually comes into the team to replace Kolarov when Kolarov is on a very bad run of form.

So Clichy comes in and comparatively he's brilliant but after a few weeks you realise he's not actually contributing much in any phase of the game.
 
Clichy is a left back who can neither attack nor defend.

I think we forget how limited he is because he usually comes into the team to replace Kolarov when Kolarov is on a very bad run of form.

So Clichy comes in and comparatively he's brilliant but after a few weeks you realise he's not actually contributing much in any phase of the game.
I agree, I think he's absolute tripe.
 
Our defense is not perfect (let's get it right none of our 4 full backs are good enough anymore, and we've only got one decent centre half who can stay fit) but had we scored the 3 or 4 very good chances against Chelsea, we would have been out of sight, and would have closed the game out (albeit we most likely still have conceded a goal or two). And that's no even going into the refs decisions.

We will get there keep the faith and wait for Pep to get the defenders he wants
 
It would look a lot stronger a defence if Kompany returned.

I don't know why Guardiola keeps persisting with Clichy in advanced positions. He's a left-back and nothing else. Not at the level we're trying to play at.

I'd rather play Delph at least he would get in the box. We put countless really good crosses into the box v Chelsea and rarely did we get on the end of them. That is a weakness in this team.....in addition to the defence. I'd play Tosin now instead of Stones. he couldn't do any worse.
Delph is injured isn't he? There's a vowel in the month, so I am sure he is.
 
In lieu of VK, Sagna has the athletic ability and the experience (by now) to be the CB. Just one of the pair Stones/Otamendi to be the other CB.
That's what we lack, top CBs with speed and athletic ability to handle flat track bullies players like Hazard or Costa or Vardy given we play a high defense.
Nacho will be fine without Aguero. He is a proven goalscorer.
 
That's my point, I think the players are a good enough quality to defend well, that's why I highlighted the fact that maybe they just have not grasped Peps interpretation of the system yet.

I would take issue with the claim that they are good enough to defend well. The ones who were here last season didnt play particularly well.
 
Clichy is a left back who can neither attack nor defend.

I think we forget how limited he is because he usually comes into the team to replace Kolarov when Kolarov is on a very bad run of form.

So Clichy comes in and comparatively he's brilliant but after a few weeks you realise he's not actually contributing much in any phase of the game.

Funny though that those two were not so long ago, statistically, the most consistent defenders in the league and the players ahead of them in the consistency stakes were top players i.e. I'm not talking about a list of plodders.
 
Makes us appreciate how good we were the year we won the league first off. What a team that was.

A hell of a team, full of leaders and tacklers who didnt fuck about.

Tevez, De Jong, Barry, Zabba, Vinny, Jolean and Hart, imposing hard tacking fuckers throughout the team.

This current crop are not a patch on that lot.

Kev cant tackle bless, Gundogan fucking terrible at it, Ditto Sterling and neither can Clichy or Kolorov-and they are fucking defenders.

Gundogan looks lightweight for this league playing alongside Fern, Silva does a far far superior job partnering Fern, we didn't look anywhere near as vulnerable in midfield when Gundogan wasn't fit.

Gundogan will work if we have top drawer defenders and fullbacks behind him-who can at least give him the freedom and safety net behind him to fucking tackle and defend.

Fernandinho will be fucked come February at this rate-a blessing in disguise in some ways that he got a red card at the weekend, at least he can re charge is batteries for the New Year games.
 

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