Liverpool - post match thread.

[IWasHere]

What do I expect is going to happen? Maybe the professional footballer to complete the 5-10 yard pass successfully? Is that too much to ask? We play that kind of ball constantly in open play which I appreciate is moving and not as static but it's hardly a hospital ball. If you feel he can't make a pass from that position he should be nowhere near our first team to begin with

To who? He had no options

I don't think either of Kolarov or clichy should be anywhere near the first team, both should leave in the summer

 

[Chippy_boy]

No excuses KDB was poor

I thought he was fucking awful to be honest.

Zabaleta 7
Stones 6
Otamendi 6
Kolarov 3
Fernandino 5
Yaya 5
Silva 7 (based on 2nd half)
Sterling 6
KDB 4
Aguero 5

 

[CrownPointBlue]

High press..team press..play out from the back..sweeper keeper..ball playing centre backs..Yaya ..no Yaya ..inverted full backs..kick it long..pass it keep it..give & go..hit the line..cut inside..overlap..hold your position..move..over the top..through the middle..one /two..wall ball..dribble..fast..slow

3 1 4 1 1.....4 1 4 1....3 1 6......4 1 5....4 1 2 3....( some times in the same game). What is our 'core'style ?

No wonder the players look bemused & lack confidence. They're drained before they start.

 

[bugsyblue]

I presume that's aimed at me. Expressing how one feels is now a weakness in ones mentality? Bloody hell, I'm in my thirty fourth year of having a season ticket - no weakness in my mentality pal after all the shit that I and many others have had to endure over those years.

Faith is good. Blind faith however is completely overrated.

So people who are backing Pep after his first six months in charge have blind faith? Wow.

 

[bluemc1]

Are you kidding? You do remember the reasons he gave for leaving right?

No I'm not kidding I said it on here while Milner was still with us, a good man manager tell Milner you want him as your right back, be a regular part of a great side who go on to win many things
Perfect right back, reads the game, can tackle, be great going forward, puts good ball in
We've really missed a chance to strengthen our defence

 

[Chippy_boy]

That is essentially the problem for me. Both in possession and not in possession we were playing with intensity earlier in the season. We have done sporadically in the last couple of months and look great when we have but don't for the most part and look so so ordinary. So the question is, why? Are the players fucked, are they just not doing what they are being told or is Pep telling them to not press and to knock it around without purpose when we have the ball? I can't imagine Pep is telling them to play without intensity but then at the start of the season I expected that if players dropped off their intensity, he'd go apeshit. I don't see that from him though and some players who are strolling around are getting picked week in week out, I thought they would pay the price no matter what their reputation.

I posed the question at the start of the season, when we looked revitalised and really good, whether this was all Pep's doing (i.e. motivation, tactics etc) or whether it was "new manager syndrome" with players trying extra hard to impress.

I am starting to think it was mainly the latter, and now the novelty has worn off, the plodders are back to plodding.

 

[IWasHere]

That is essentially the problem for me. Both in possession and not in possession we were playing with intensity earlier in the season. We have done sporadically in the last couple of months and look great when we have but don't for the most part and look so so ordinary. So the question is, why? Are the players fucked, are they just not doing what they are being told or is Pep telling them to not press and to knock it around without purpose when we have the ball? I can't imagine Pep is telling them to play without intensity but then at the start of the season I expected that if players dropped off their intensity, he'd go apeshit. I don't see that from him though and some players who are strolling around are getting picked week in week out, I thought they would pay the price no matter what their reputation.

I doubt you'll see them next season, as of now he has no choice but to play them

 

[Walking on the blue moon]

Good(ish) post mate,but in a game / league of very fine margins (Kevs miss v renters), Zabbas role in the goal was decisive & ultimatly cost us the game.

However, Kolorov losing the ball in space & with time, level with their box & Sterling covering with his head up is arse didn't help either.

Yaya is better but only a sticking plaster & 45 minutes agin Barca & Arse & rags isn't good enough after 30 games imo.

Best to you.

Indeed. Though if all those 45 minutes is what we could be given time, I would take the hardship now. All the best to you too in the new year.

 

[Tom_mcfc]

To who? He had no options

I don't think either of Kolarov or clichy should be anywhere near the first team, both should leave in the summer

Are you watching it with your eyes shut? To who? Fernandinho the player he was trying to pass to but completely sold him short with a lazy shite pass.

Agreed all full backs need to fuck off, should of been addressed in the summer

 

[blue ranger]

How kolarov and zaba got the nod for the full back positions is beyound me.
Not saying clichy is much better but when he has a run of games he plays steady.
Which was the case versus hull Arsenal and Watford.
Zaba has gone sad to watch really, like a old boxer having one last pay day

This post sums it up for me. Agree and cannot understand how Pep sees anything different.

 

[Tom_mcfc]

No I'm not kidding I said it on here while Milner was still with us, a good man manager tell Milner you want him as your right back, be a regular part of a great side who go on to win many things
Perfect right back, reads the game, can tackle, be great going forward, puts good ball in
We've really missed a chance to strengthen our defence

Problem is he wanted centre mid which is the funniest thing about him being left back

 

[YaYa's Left Peg]

So let me get this right. The past is unimportant and Pep's achievements mean nothing yet you mention Chelsea finishing mid table last year as a way to give extra credit to conte? Anyone who knows an ounce about football knows that that Chelsea side is way better than where they finished. And by the way they are reaping the rewards in the league of not being in Europe this season.

And also what do you expect Pep to have won after six months? Do you not think you've lost faith a bit prematurely? If pep turns it around and you come on here praising him in a few months, as you've said you will if he does get the team back to winning way, are you not going to feel a bit silly?

And this stunning youth system you talk about. Maffeo and Angelino. Boy I hope you're right and I hope they make it. But do you seriously believe that Pep Guardoila couldn't see the talent these two have if they are immensely better than Kolarov/Clichy and Zab/sagna? Sorry to mention the past again, but this is a man who blooded Pedro and Busquets at Barca. A man who signed pique, trusting in his assistant who had directly worked with when he couldn't even get a game at united. A man who binned off stars like Deco and Ronaldinho because they weren't pulling their weight anymore. Yet you claim suddenly he can't spot talent? I mean seriously?

I think you mentioned Liverpool finishing eighth last season as a way of denigrating Klopp. What's good for the goose as they say...

I may have lost faith prematurely, but man I never feel silly about what I say. As I said in my post, I desperately want Pep to turn it around, and when/if he does I'll come and apologise to you if it makes you feel any better.

Also, your argument about spotting talent is completely shot when yer man continues to pick Kolarov week in week out. I'd pick me nan before I picked him. Now that's what I call silly.

 

[blue ranger]

We desperately need a new GK, two fullbacks, a centre half and a centre mid. Get two of these in January, and the rest in the summer. I just can't get over how bad we are.

I also think we lack some physical presence off the bench. Sometimes you need a plan B, but we seem to rely on tippy tappy bollocks.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

But isnt that down to the manager?

I've asked the question in a post a couple after yours. Pep hasn't been here long and the majority of players he has at his disposal, he has inherited. If he is giving them instructions and they just aren't following those instructions then there is only so much he can do at this stage. I wouldn't want to absolve Pep of all responsibility but some of these players have now gone into "stroll mode" under Mancini, Pellegrini and now Pep. I blamed Mancini and Pellegrini but if Pep is struggling too then maybe some of these very talented players just need to be fucked off and replaced with younger hungrier players. If they are following his instructions and this is the result then it is even more worrying and I would then wonder why he is instructing them to play in a way that is totally alien to any Pep team of the past.

 

[mosssideblue]

Find me all these vociferous posts of mine in the transfer thread.

Where have I said you were ?

 

[manimanc]

High press..team press..play out from the back..sweeper keeper..ball playing centre backs..Yaya ..no Yaya ..inverted full backs..kick it long..pass it keep it..give & go..hit the line..cut inside..overlap..hold your position..move..over the top..through the middle..one /two..wall ball..dribble..fast..slow

3 1 4 1 1.....4 1 4 1....3 1 6......4 1 5....4 1 2 3....( some times in the same game). What is our 'core'style ?

No wonder the players look bemused & lack confidence. They're drained before they start.

LVG is that you??

 

[edinburgh123]

Well for a start Barcelona were not the finished article at all. They had stagnated under Rijkaard and Pep was promoted from the Barca B team after impressive results. Barcelona at the time of him coming in were under performing and had negative influences within the dressing room which Pep removed. Do your homework and he actually started off at Barca with not very good results, and some of the Barcelona fans wanted him gone. What he did do was stick to his ways and asked the team, those that he wanted, to trust in his methods.....eventually proving right.

Klopp has had more time than Pep both in the league and at his club, in order to get his ideas across. Klopp's results at that time when he first arrived were up and down.

It was never going to be an easy ride this season, far from it. As I have mentioned before, those first 10 games were a freak. A series of results that made some think he had walked in and would run away with it this year.

Let him get his team, because our team at the moment is far from it.

I agree - let him get his team. Surely that is the point though - if you haven't got the players - don't play the formation. baby steps - evolution not revolution. The way the majority of successful businesses work. If you can not immediately replace the staff - retrain them or look for others but don't thrown them all in the deep end and expect them to swim - they all won't, and the business will suffer. And btw - 2008 was the year Pep took over Barca - same year as a certain Lionel Messi was considered good enough to be a regular Argentina player and no longer an under 23. Of course having the best player in the world has stuff all to do with it! And Barca were top after 9 games that season (we are 10 points adrift after 19) and remained so until they won the league. My point remains though - if you don't have the players to play the way you want don't give them the job. Evolution not revolution.

 

[bugsyblue]

I think you mentioned Liverpool finishing eighth last season as a way of denigrating Klopp. What's good for the goose as they say...

I may have lost faith prematurely, but man I never feel silly about what I say. As I said in my post, I desperately want Pep to turn it around, and when/if he does I'll come and apologise to you if it makes you feel any better.

Also, your argument about spotting talent is completely shot when yer man continues to pick Kolarov week in week out. I'd pick me nan before I picked him. Now that's what I call silly.

Why what has Klopp won? A game 1-0 at anfield against us? You'd think Liverpool has just beaten us in the fa cup final the way you're talking.

And you really don't sound like you want Pep to turn it around. You wouldn't be calling him 'my man' if you did.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Unless things improve rapidly (which they might, btw), we are not getting top 4.

As it stands, Chelsea are clearly better than we are and I would say Liverpool and Arsenal are too. And the rags seem to have settled into a winning groove and (I am sad to say) are looking quite good. We're in a battle for 4th between Spurs and the rags and as it stands I think we'd lose out.

However, we may very well improve. All is not lost.

I do think it's vital we get at least 4th. There's the money aspects of course and the issue of being more difficult to attract the very top players. But I also worry that if we finished say 5th, Pep might call it a day.

 

[manimanc]

Are you watching it with your eyes shut? To who? Fernandinho the player he was trying to pass to but completely sold him short with a lazy shite pass.

Agreed all full backs need to fuck off, should be addressed in January