Uncle Wally One Ball
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Yes. The US have never said they are looking to extradite Assange
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west didsblue
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They may never have made a formal request however US Attorney General Eric Holder has previously said American officials were pursuing a "very serious criminal investigation" into the matter. I don't think he had holed himself up in the Ecuadorian embassy just to avoid going to Sweden to answer charges he denied anyway. It was his concern that the Swedes would hand him over to the Americans that stopped him leaving the Ecuadorian embassy.Yes. The US have never said they are looking to extradite Assange
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I think he's made it very clear that he's going to be Goldman Sachs' President.I'm not for a second thinking he'll be a great president, but he'll be his own president
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Haha, as day follows night, some things look like never changing. If he starts pandering to big business and not bending it to the better for the people i hope he falls so hard he is shattered as a man as he will have then have truly lied and cheated those who got him to office. The disdain for the liberal elite and the subversive huge power self interested 3rd parties like sachs are the same thing to these voters. Both symbolize the out of touch top echelon whose own interests are absolute with little to no consideration for those who made them their fortunes and who gave them their position; to which many have abused.
Uncle Wally One Ball
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I strongly disagree and I believe that he holed himself up in the embassy to avoid the charges in Sweden. Using a fear of deportation to the US has been his excuse. For that matter, Sweden have also said they have no plans to deport him to the US either, and have also said that the US have never asked them to arrange it either.They may never have made a formal request however US Attorney General Eric Holder has previously said American officials were pursuing a "very serious criminal investigation" into the matter. I don't think he had holed himself up in the Ecuadorian embassy just to avoid going to Sweden to answer charges he denied anyway. It was his concern that the Swedes would hand him over to the Americans that stopped him leaving the Ecuadorian embassy.
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Don't you think the fact that Trump has tweeted his admiration of Wikileaks and Assange has nothing to do with him choosing now to leave?I strongly disagree and I believe that he holed himself up in the embassy to avoid the charges in Sweden. Using a fear of deportation to the US has been his excuse. For that matter, Sweden have also said they have no plans to deport him to the US either, and have also said that the US have never asked them to arrange it either.
Uncle Wally One Ball
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He hasnt chosen to leave though and he hasnt left.Nothing has changed, its just noise from his lawyers who are saying he would be willing to agree to extradition to US if Manning was freed. The US arent seeking to extradite him.Don't you think the fact that Trump has tweeted his admiration of Wikileaks and Assange has nothing to do with him choosing now to leave?
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I strongly disagree and I believe that he holed himself up in the embassy to avoid the charges in Sweden. Using a fear of deportation to the US has been his excuse. For that matter, Sweden have also said they have no plans to deport him to the US either, and have also said that the US have never asked them to arrange it either.
That's what I thought.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...lect-foreign-policy-trade-deals-a7533656.html
President-elect Donald Trump has said he will give all world leaders "an even start" when he takes up office.
The incoming president suggested he sees all world leaders on par, with a fresh chance to prove themselves, in an interview with Axios.
This is why Republican and Democrats hawks will have in gone in less than 6 months.
President-elect Donald Trump has said he will give all world leaders "an even start" when he takes up office.
The incoming president suggested he sees all world leaders on par, with a fresh chance to prove themselves, in an interview with Axios.
This is why Republican and Democrats hawks will have in gone in less than 6 months.
west didsblue
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Let's see what happens in the next week or so.He hasnt chosen to leave though and he hasnt left.Nothing has changed, its just noise from his lawyers who are saying he would be willing to agree to extradition to US if Manning was freed. The US arent seeking to extradite him.
Uncle Wally One Ball
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Well I doubt anything will happen. For one, they dont want him in the first place, and secondly Trump is his mate anyway. If he comes out of that embassy he is off to Sweden, which he should be anyway. Are you saying that the Trump, owing a big debt as he does to Assange, will engineer an extradition to the US to do him a favour (ie avoid arrest to Sweden)?Let's see what happens in the next week or so.
west didsblue
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Wouldn't surprise me. It may be via Sweden if it has to be with a bit of Trump diplomacy involved.Well I doubt anything will happen. For one, they dont want him in the first place, and secondly Trump is his mate anyway. If he comes out of that embassy he is off to Sweden, which he should be anyway. Are you saying that the Trump, owing a big debt as he does to Assange, will engineer an extradition to the US to do him a favour (ie avoid arrest to Sweden)?
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Was he really? The twat. I never knew that.Obama was anti gay rights?
edit. Jut googled. Oh yeah. Completely forgot his was anti gay marriage
Uncle Wally One Ball
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I dont follow you then. What I mean is, the only way anything will have changed is if Trump arranges an extradition to the US in order to avoid him going to Sweden, as a favour to his mate in other words. If not, nothing will have changed at all and Assange wont be coming out of that embassy. All that has happened is Assange's lawyers have said will be willing to come out to face extradition to America. those are just meaningless words because America doesnt want to extradite him, and never has.Wouldn't surprise me. It may be via Sweden if it has to be with a bit of Trump diplomacy involved.
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"Give them the chance to prove themselves" what a patronising ****,he has no political experience at all,if anyone has a lot to prove it's himhttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...lect-foreign-policy-trade-deals-a7533656.html
President-elect Donald Trump has said he will give all world leaders "an even start" when he takes up office.
The incoming president suggested he sees all world leaders on par, with a fresh chance to prove themselves, in an interview with Axios.
This is why Republican and Democrats hawks will have in gone in less than 6 months.
west didsblue
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I think the reason he holed himself up there was to avoid having to go to the US whether there was a formal extradition order or not. The yanks weren't happy about Manning's leaks being put on the internet by Assange. I believe he was concerned that the extradition to Sweden would be followed by an extradition to the USA. I don't believe he was that concerned about facing charges in Sweden. He's been holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy longer than a worst case sentence would have been in Sweden anyway. He was more concerned about getting 35 years in a US federal prison. Now his mate's in charge of the white house it seems like it's no coincidence that he might be leaving the embassy. Just my opinion and I might be wrong.I dont follow you then. What I mean is, the only way anything will have changed is if Trump arranges an extradition to the US in order to avoid him going to Sweden, as a favour to his mate in other words. If not, nothing will have changed at all and Assange wont be coming out of that embassy. All that has happened is Assange's lawyers have said will be willing to come out to face extradition to America. those are just meaningless words because America doesnt want to extradite him, and never has.
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I think Sweden would still have first shot at him in that scenario.I dont follow you then. What I mean is, the only way anything will have changed is if Trump arranges an extradition to the US in order to avoid him going to Sweden, as a favour to his mate in other words. If not, nothing will have changed at all and Assange wont be coming out of that embassy. All that has happened is Assange's lawyers have said will be willing to come out to face extradition to America. those are just meaningless words because America doesnt want to extradite him, and never has.
Uncle Wally One Ball
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I respect your opinion mate and we will have to agree to disagree. The only person mentioning a fear of extradition and imprisonment in the US is Assange. Sweden have said they wont send him to America, and America have said they arent looking for them to, and they havent sought any extradition on their own, and have said there are no plans to. I may be a cynic, but nothing has changed at all, and it is irrelevant who is in the White House.I think the reason he holed himself up there was to avoid having to go to the US whether there was a formal extradition order or not. The yanks weren't happy about Manning's leaks being put on the internet by Assange. I believe he was concerned that the extradition to Sweden would be followed by an extradition to the USA. I don't believe he was that concerned about facing charges in Sweden. He's been holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy longer than a worst case sentence would have been in Sweden anyway. He was more concerned about getting 35 years in a US federal prison. Now his mate's in charge of the white house it seems like it's no coincidence that he might be leaving the embassy. Just my opinion and I might be wrong.
Uncle Wally One Ball
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Yes they would, which is why its all noise and he is not going to come out of that embassy. He is already going back on what he said this afternoon anyway, it was always just noise and Obama played a blinder in showing him up by actually doing it (pardoning Manning).I think Sweden would still have first shot at him in that scenario.
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