Claudio Bravo - 2016/2017 performances (continued)

[dronefromsector7G]

It's another game with no saves,the pattern is there to anyone that wants to see it

They had 2 shots on target. This is good from a defensive point of view as we restricted them. Bravo couldn't do anything about either shot. That's all there is to it.

 

[SWP's back]

It's another game with no saves,the pattern is there to anyone that wants to see it

So? It's not his fault that they had two chances only and that both were put away with aplomb. I bet he wishes he'd faced the shots Lloris had. Each one was relatively simple.

 

[Tricky_Trev]

Bravo is crap but he had absolutely no chance of saving either goal yesterday. Even the great Joe Hart wouldn't have got near them.

 

[Cambo]

Other than a few people on this thread I have heard no one - at the match or otherwise - that has even remotely suggested he could have had any chance whatsoever with either goal. Considering the scrutiny he has been under in the media for the past 7 days that tells its own story.

You could literally look at any goal that's ever been scored and try and find some way that it could have been prevented. De gea could have saved stoke''s goal today. Do you also blame him for not saving milner's penalty last week? Other keepers save penalties all the time. So in your world de gea has cost united 4 points in two games. What a shit keeper.

Criticise when it's justified but give the bloke a fucking break - especially when we're talking about one of our own players. What really pleased me was the support in the ground was absolutely fantastic last night - a welcome relief after the past 7 days on here.

Let's agree to disagree on the 2nd today OK? You say he couldn't have done anything about it. I think you're right. I think a bigger keeper could have.

All keepers will make mistakes, as will strikers, mids and defenders. However, GKs that make mistakes also make telling saves. Loris made two howlers today that resulted in goals to us. But, Loris also made five saves today for shots on target and two of them were brilliant saves. So he cost Spurs 2 points today but he also saved Spurs 2 point today.

Bravo's record for shots on is awful. Mitigating circumstances for some of them absolutely.

He fundamentally is not a keeper that is very good at shot stopping and I do think his lack of height is part of the isssue. He was bought by Pep at considerable expense, to be a "Sweeper"...I don't think Pep foreshadowed just how much "keeping" he would be called on to do.

Commentary on players, performance, moments in games etc is exactly what this forum is for. I don't think I have been overly "critical" of Bravo in this thread. Merely suggested that I had some sympathy for the view of a poster that felt Bravo could have done better and provided some commentary as to why. You have a different view to me. So be it. It would be a boring place if we were always completely aligned in our views.

Glad to hear the atmosphere was better at the match and the fans raised their voices. I hate Spurs and think the way the media has treated City all year and particularly in the lead up to this game has been ordinary.

 

[bondsman]

He could have done better with the 2nd if he dives and didn't land on the same spot and actually reaches out fully,it's every game,i want him to launch himself at the ball,when has he made a save or got remotely close to one that is not straight at him? .Llores fucked up twice but made several saves to keep them in the game and get a point,bravo doesn't

This. Lloris saves silvas effort in the first half at full stretch with it bouncing awkwardly sadly bravo got nowhere near the second. He didn't dive he just dropped to the floor. My issue is not that he lets some shots in he let's them all in. Even his biggest fans on here must be honest enough to admit he is yet to pull off a meaningful save. Top keepers decide games.

 

[schfc6]

He wasn't at fault for either goal yesterday.

I'm not sure why anyone is even discussing him today. Criticise when he's at fault for sure. But that wasn't yesterday.

It's just the typical mentality. He did absolutely nothing wrong yesterday and his positioning for a few balls over the top was excellent.
Even when he cut stuff out or did things well yesterday people screamed at him.

A guy near was calling him a ducking clown for not picking up a back pass!

Leaving the ground you could hear people bemoaning him.

 

[mcfcphil]

There is no agenda,the stats bear it out,shoot at him and it will go in,every player in the prem knows it

Let's agree to disagree on the 2nd today OK? You say he couldn't have done anything about it. I think you're right. I think a bigger keeper could have.

All keepers will make mistakes, as will strikers, mids and defenders. However, GKs that make mistakes also make telling saves. Loris made two howlers today that resulted in goals to us. But, Loris also made five saves today for shots on target and two of them were brilliant saves. So he cost Spurs 2 points today but he also saved Spurs 2 point today.

Bravo's record for shots on is awful. Mitigating circumstances for some of them absolutely.

He fundamentally is not a keeper that is very good at shot stopping and I do think his lack of height is part of the isssue. He was bought by Pep at considerable expense, to be a "Sweeper"...I don't think Pep foreshadowed just how much "keeping" he would be called on to do.

Commentary on players, performance, moments in games etc is exactly what this forum is for. I don't think I have been overly "critical" of Bravo in this thread. Merely suggested that I had some sympathy for the view of a poster that felt Bravo could have done better and provided some commentary as to why. You have a different view to me. So be it. It would be a boring place if we were always completely aligned in our views.

Glad to hear the atmosphere was better at the match and the fans raised their voices. I hate Spurs and think the way the media has treated City all year and particularly in the lead up to this game has been ordinary.

That's all fair enough mate. I'm not for one second saying he shouldn't be criticised when warranted etc. And you may be right in that ultimately he isn't for us / this league - but he's only been here 4 months in a new league in a team with a new manager who is fundamentally changing the way we play. I'm willing to give him more of a chance than 4 months.
I rarely get involved in discussions on here but the disproportionate criticism bravo has received from city fans has touched a nerve.
The jeering inside the stadium was a real low point. If a bloke is playing for city then get behind him and give him every chance to succeed.
If we get to the point where he's being criticised for not saving shots like yesterday then we're in a bad place as fans in my opinion. But as you say it's about opinions.

Atmosphere certainly was better yesterday - it feels like the criticism the club is getting externally is galvanising people. Long may it continue!

 

[balotelli's back pocket]

This. Lloris saves silvas effort in the first half at full stretch with it bouncing awkwardly sadly bravo got nowhere near the second. He didn't dive he just dropped to the floor. My issue is not that he lets some shots in he let's them all in. Even his biggest fans on here must be honest enough to admit he is yet to pull off a meaningful save. Top keepers decide games.

Silvas was a pea roller from 25 yards that wasnt going right in the corner.
Their second goal came from inside the area, meaning unlike lloris, bravo didnt have time to get to it, and was right in the corner.
they are not comparable saves at all.

 

[Dax777]

Which goals should he have saved yesterday?
If you're saying he should/could have saved either then clearly you do have an agenda.
The fact you're saying Lloris earned spurs a point yesterday and using his performance to criticise bravo shows you have an agenda.
The fact you're saying every player in the premier league knows something (which clearly neither of us could possibly know) and using it to criticise bravo shows you have an agenda.

Let me get this straight; So what you are saying is that she has an agenda? (:

 

[Tugay One Cup]

His performances have dropped further recently and I've almost lost faith in him regaining his Chile or Barca form for us but he couldn't do anything about either goal and didn't have anything to do for the rest of the game.

Absolutely and totally blameless with regards to the result but some seem to think football is played on calculators rather than on the pitch.

 

[Ric]

It's just the typical mentality. He did absolutely nothing wrong yesterday and his positioning for a few balls over the top was excellent.
Even when he cut stuff out or did things well yesterday people screamed at him.

A guy near was calling him a ducking clown for not picking up a back pass!

Leaving the ground you could hear people bemoaning him.

It kicked off near me in the Family Stand (!) because someone berated Bravo in the first half when Otamendi headed the ball out for a throw. Someone rightly took exception, saying "how the fuck was that Bravo's fault?!" and it escalated from there with the stewards getting involved. He seems to polarise the fans more than any player, with the possible exception of Sterling.

 

[schfc6]

It kicked off near me in the Family Stand (!) because someone berated Bravo in the first half when Otamendi headed the ball out for a throw. Someone rightly took exception, saying "how the fuck was that Bravo's fault?!" and it escalated from there with the stewards getting involved. He seems to polarise the fans more than any player, with the possible exception of Sterling.

I sit in block 128, there's a guy a row behind who constantly shouts utter shit.
He screamed at Bravo for not picking up a back pass.
I resorted to calling him a thick **** and told him it was no longer the 80's and even Brsvo can't pick up a back pass.

Bravo does seem to divide the fans, he was largely faultless yesterday but even things he did well, he didn't do well enough for some.

 

[Dax777]

His performances have dropped further recently and I've almost lost faith in him regaining his Chile or Barca form for us but he couldn't do anything about either goal and didn't have anything to do for the rest of the game.

Absolutely and totally blameless with regards to the result but some seem to think football is played on calculators rather than on the pitch.

I agree here. Think he's confidence "looks" shot. And while he hasn't been at fault for much of anything the last few games, I'd probably consider benching him for a few games and giving him a reset opportunity.

 

[Machiavelli]

Folk have set their stalls out for varying reasons. Nothing will change until Bravo has a Willy in the cup moment or gets the Head & Shoulders gig.

 

[Bill]

you can't really blame him for the two goals yesterday. they did after all fall between the posts so not much he could do.
our throwing away 2 points was completely down to pep. we were gifted 2 goals off a sorry spurs. with kolorov and clichy in the side to begin with that was a miracle as it was.
stones/vinny or both should have been on the moment the second goal went in.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Whatever we think, once he is picked by Pep, we should all get behind him. Tbf, its very similar to how Willie was looked on originally until he had him Wembley moment. If Bravo is going through a crisis of self confidence the crowd on his back will make it much worse. I thought yesterday wouldn't it be nice to have a Bravo song and 50,000 belting it out to tell him we are supporting him. I'll bet he would have really appreciated that rather than the abuse he must hear. But then I am a bit of a happy clapper.

 

[BlueTG]

Which goals should he have saved yesterday?
If you're saying he should/could have saved either then clearly you do have an agenda.
The fact you're saying Lloris earned spurs a point yesterday and using his performance to criticise bravo shows you have an agenda.
The fact you're saying every player in the premier league knows something (which clearly neither of us could possibly know) and using it to criticise bravo shows you have an agenda.

Like those who claimed Bravo won us 3 points against Burnley for making a save after he gifted them a way back in, then?

Tit for Tat.

 

[mcfcphil]

Like those who claimed Bravo won us 3 points against Burnley for making a save after he gifted them a way back in, then?

Tit for Tat.

It shouldn't be tit for tat though - it's not a contest.
I agree he should have done better for burnley's goal. That would be fair and reasonable criticism.
What doesnt sit well is the disproportionate criticism he's getting, such as yesterday.

I think yesterday showed how much better it is in the stadium when there is a bit of unity between the fans, players and club. It was absolutely fantastic.

Let's just get behind the whole team, maybe even give players the benefit of the doubt every now and then. And that includes bravo.

 

[kaz7]

Like those who claimed Bravo won us 3 points against Burnley for making a save after he gifted them a way back in, then?

Tit for Tat.

I wasn't going tit for tat just to make that clear
I comment on here my concerns but at the game he should be fully supported

 

[i kne albert davy]

Not seen it on TV yet thought he could have done better with second from where I was,I'll reserve judgement what I will say is he never seems to have a chance with anything between the posts every striker we face must be on a lucky day when they face us.