Claudio Bravo - 2016/2017 performances (continued)

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cmcm0808 said:
In the Premier League Bravo has conceded 27 goals from 64 shots on target (42%). However since the Chelsea game, he has conceded 16 goals from 26 shots on target (62%). The media and social media witch hunt surrounding him has been ridiculous. If anyone in any walk of life was constantly told that they were shit at their job, then over time I’m sure it would affect their performance.
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I think the 16 out of 26 stat says it all really - what else are the media supposed to do? This isn't a witch hunt as you could not get clearer evidence than that presented by the data: we essentially have a non-keeper playing in nets for us - he's learned all the trainable things like kicking and catching but everything else that needs to be instinctive he doesn't have and he must have had some defence in front him at the other clubs he played for. As Gary Neville, Paul Power and Phil Neal will attest - you can pick up medals by the ton merely by being in the right team at the right time - Bravo's luck has run out and its written all over his face and body language.

The question now is how bad does he have to actually be before Pep says enough is enough - personally I think the answer is 'costing us a trophy' bad and I'd include 'any chance of the Premier League this season' in that assessment. Its hard to know what this says about Pep at the moment but I for one am not impressed with his persistence with Bravo - it is literally defying the odds as we can all see/read for ourselves. Interestingly over the road Fergie did the very same thing with two of his 'favourite' players as I recall: Ralph Milne and Jim Leighton - in both cases stubborness did not pay off and my red mates knew the score almost from day one: in the end Jim Leighton had to be dropped for Les Sealey in order to seal an FA Cup for United and on such small matters do fortunes hinge.

Here is the rub. The best way of finding out if a player is any good is to try and sell him. let's imagine Liverpool come in for Joe Hart and we offer them Bravo instead - do you think Klopp would take him even on a free? - do you think any other Premier manager would take Bravo (especially if Joe Hart was on offer). The key question for Pep is to ask him which keeper the market would buy?

We all know the answer to this question - even Pep.

I don't think things will get better on this score so its just a question now of what price we are going to end up paying.

I hope Willy shows what he can do in the FA Cup.
 
cmcm0808 said:
In the Premier League Bravo has conceded 27 goals from 64 shots on target (42%). However since the Chelsea game, he has conceded 16 goals from 26 shots on target (62%).

The media and social media witch hunt surrounding him has been ridiculous. If anyone in any walk of life was constantly told that they were shit at their job, then over time I’m sure it would affect their performance.
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With all due respect most people performing as badly as he is at his job would probably be out of a job by now in most walks of life.
 
Tugay One Cup said:
His confidence looks completely shot and I am not surprised to be perfectly honest. I assume a huge factor of this will be his treatment from the stands and the fact that there are so many fans looking to make him the scapegoat.

However, as thoroughly disappointing as it is, dealing with this and other pressures is entirely on him as a professional. He's not the first to get unfair treatment and unfortunately he won't be the last.
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this is the unacceptable thing. i'll be honest, I don't rate him, not based on his games for us, but at the game you support every player. I had my head in my hands the moment clichy went out cut that first cross out but I didn't boo grumble or anything. I do on here but that's what a forum is for.
please blues cut the ironic cheers out, its not helping.
 
Gray said:
There are keepers in the Championship that are better than him.
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The sad thing is that probably better keepers in division 1 too. Sorry but this guy is not and will never be good enough. Should try and flog him to China or back to Spain and sign a goal
Keeper that's good enough for us. In terms of the Premier League, I don't think their is a single goal keeper I wouldn't prefer instead of him. Know that sounds brutal and harsh but I genuinely believe that. Hope he proves me wrong.
 
blue ranger said:
The sad thing is that probably better keepers in division 1 too. Sorry but this guy is not and will never be good enough. Should try and flog him to China or back to Spain and sign a goal
Keeper that's good enough for us. In terms of the Premier League, I don't think their is a single goal keeper I wouldn't prefer instead of him. Know that sounds brutal and harsh but I genuinely believe that. Hope he proves me wrong.
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I can't believe some fans see potential in him to become good given time. If Guardiola persists with him beyond this season we will be winning nothing significant under him,it won't matter what other signings he makes.
 
dubblue said:
I can't believe some fans see potential in him to become good given time. If Guardiola persists with him beyond this season we will be winning nothing significant under him,it won't matter what other signings he makes.
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If Guardiola gets the defensive unit right then Bravo shouldn't be a major issue. Valdes survived a very long time at Barcelona and he is a similar type of keeper as our current first choice.
 
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