Claudio Bravo - 2016/2017 performances (continued)

[Rolee]

Watching the City - Spurs game after Lloris conceded their two goals I finally thought Bravo would have a better game than an opposing keeper but I was quite disappointed. He had a clear chance to attack the ball on Alli's goal (where he looked timid on his goal line), and Son's goal he seemed to react slowly (even though Spur's had quite a decent build up). I feel like the media has finally got to him and he's starting to completely breakdown. Still interested to see what Pep's future plans are. But we just can't afford to give away 2 goals on 2 attempts. As much as I'd like to see him play well I don't believe his future is bright at City

You're nitpicking.

Kolarov touch on the cross threw his positioning.

Son miskicked his effort, as a result a shot that probably would've been within reach found its way to the corner of the goal.

Fuck all he could do about either.

 

[Ban-jani]

I tend to give the new players at least one full season and not give up on the player after a short spell.

Well that makes more sense. However it's a tricky one for a keeper as their mistakes cost you so many more points and I say that as a keeper myself, albeit at a shite level.

 

[City_Sean]

Watching the City - Spurs game after Lloris conceded their two goals I finally thought Bravo would have a better game than an opposing keeper but I was quite disappointed. He had a clear chance to attack the ball on Alli's goal (where he looked timid on his goal line), and Son's goal he seemed to react slowly (even though Spur's had quite a decent build up). I feel like the media has finally got to him and he's starting to completely breakdown. Still interested to see what Pep's future plans are. But we just can't afford to give away 2 goals on 2 attempts. As much as I'd like to see him play well I don't believe his future is bright at City

Bravo isn't at fault for either of those goals. The first one is on Clichy for me, he should be busting a gut to close Walker down. Kolarov's flick takes it perfectly into the path of Alli. The second goal is offside and is an excellent finish.

 

[Rolee]

Well that makes more sense. However it's a tricky one for a keeper as their mistakes cost you so many more points and I say that as a keeper myself, albeit at a shite level.

True but he's not making mistakes, he's not saving enough, that is the issue.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

this is the unacceptable thing. i'll be honest, I don't rate him, not based on his games for us, but at the game you support every player. I had my head in my hands the moment clichy went out cut that first cross out but I didn't boo grumble or anything. I do on here but that's what a forum is for.
please blues cut the ironic cheers out, its not helping.

That's the issue for me. It's one thing questioning him on blue moon. I really doubt bravo reads blue moon so I am not sure he feels the criticism on here and it would be a pretty boring forum if we said isn't every player great, isnt the eu great, isnt trump brilliant. Ain't milk great. You are allowed to debate players performances on here and say if you don't think he is having a good season.

It's entirely different though at the games, ironic cheering when he catches the ball by a few hundred fans isn't on really. That is not going to help the team at all.

 

[Jazzcat]

That's the issue for me. It's one thing questioning him on blue moon. I really doubt bravo reads blue moon so I am not sure he feels the criticism on here and it would be a pretty boring forum if we said isn't every player great, isnt the eu great, isnt trump brilliant. Ain't milk great. You are allowed to debate players performances on here and say if you don't think he is having a good season.

It's entirely different though at the games, ironic cheering when he catches the ball by a few hundred fans isn't on really. That is not going to help the team at all.

The differene between the support Gabriel Jesus got when he came on and the resentful mumbling Bravo's had to endure, since he was first introduced, is night and day and it's really a bit pathetic. He's still being blamed for Hart's departure and all of the numerous defensive errors are simply attributed to him as well.

Not that he isn't underperforming, I just wonder how he'd perform with actual support from both his defenders and the crowd.
A bit of positive energy goes a long way..

 

[schfc6]

Bravo isn't at fault for either of those goals. The first one is on Clichy for me, he should be busting a gut to close Walker down. Kolarov's flick takes it perfectly into the path of Alli. The second goal is offside and is an excellent finish.

Otamendi and Clichy carry a portion of the blame, but it's also an excellent cross and good run. Non of the blame is at Bravo's door.

 

[Ban-jani]

True but he's not making mistakes, he's not saving enough, that is the issue.

Yeah I'd agree. They're not clangers but he should have at least got to some of the ones that have gone in. It seems that anything that's slightly away from him is going in at the moment. Can't blame Saturday on him at all though.

 

[RayCTID]

Most of the goals Bravo has conceded so far are very good finishes (something that is lacking in our game). The only time you can fully blame him is the Barcelona away game, we was well in the game up until the sending off and could of got something.

 

[Bill]

Most of the goals Bravo has conceded so far are very good finishes (something that is lacking in our game). The only time you can fully blame him is the Barcelona away game, we was well in the game up until the sending off and could of got something.

Hi Claudio.

 

[Machiavelli]

Hi Claudio.

Hi Joe.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

The differene between the support Gabriel Jesus got when he came on and the resentful mumbling Bravo's had to endure, since he was first introduced, is night and day and it's really a bit pathetic. He's still being blamed for Hart's departure and all of the numerous defensive errors are simply attributed to him as well.

Not that he isn't underperforming, I just wonder how he'd perform with actual support from both his defenders and the crowd.
A bit of positive energy goes a long way..

Fair play he has not had an easy ride . I just would prefer him to be taken out of the firing line because I care about city first and foremost. We had that chance after a clean sheet at West Ham. Joe got dropped when he lost form and came back stronger, the same may happen with bravo.

 

[Bill]

Fair play he has not had an easy ride . I just would prefer him to be taken out of the firing line because I care about city first and foremost. We had that chance after a clean sheet at West Ham. Joe got dropped when he lost form and came back stronger, the same may happen with bravo.

its worth a bloody try. of course if he does drop his boy and willy does the business where does that leave the manager. he wont risk it I'm afraid. his ego wont let him.

 

[Jazzcat]

its worth a bloody try. of course if he does drop his boy and willy does the business where does that leave the manager. he wont risk it I'm afraid. his ego wont let him.

Right, so Pep isn't much of a professional and he'd rather let his ego get in the way of selecting the best possible options for the team?
A bit far fetched imo and there's little evidence to support such a claim, on the contrary.
Maybe Willy just isn't as solid as you'd wish and you're just grasping at straws?

 

[Tugay One Cup]

Hasn't made a single save today, the charlatan.

 

[Bill]

Right, so Pep isn't much of a professional and he'd rather let his ego get in the way of selecting the best possible options for the team?
A bit far fetched imo and there's little evidence to support such a claim, on the contrary.
Maybe Willy just isn't as solid as you'd wish and you're just grasping at straws?

Are you a saying pep isn't stubborn.? He's famous for its. He's stubbornness and egotistical. A dangerous mix I'm afraid. Especially when you have a crap keeper.out of form keeper. Past it keeper. Call it what you like. It's not working.

 

[Rolee]

Are you a saying pep isn't stubborn.? He's famous for its. He's stubbornness and egotistical. A dangerous mix I'm afraid. Especially when you have a crap keeper.out of form keeper. Past it keeper. Call it what you like. It's not working.

Any previous examples of where Pep has let his ego get in the way of doing what's best for the team?

 

[schfc6]

Was very good against Spurs. Did everything that would be expected of any other keeper and added some excellent distribution that most other keepers couldn't. Just look how Lloris performed under pressure. Look at Lloris's kicking.
His judgment of flighted balls over the top was exceptional and lead to a rapid transisition of play. Again contrast and compare to Lloris.

Granted he didn't save Ali point blank header after Clichy failed to close down the cross and Otamendi's unfathomable walkabout.
He also failed to save Son's unopposed finish into the side netting from 10 yards.

Perhaps the lad should just be blamed for what he does right & wrong as opposed to stats.

 

[Jazzcat]

Are you a saying pep isn't stubborn.? He's famous for its. He's stubbornness and egotistical. A dangerous mix I'm afraid. Especially when you have a crap keeper.out of form keeper. Past it keeper. Call it what you like. It's not working.

Do you know what egotistical means or are you just trying to throw 'big' words around to compensate for the weakness of the point you've been trying to make?
Pep is nothing of the sort and he wouldn't have had the abundant praise from former players if he had been.

Also being stubborn is a world apart from being an egotist and if he's that stubborn a man, he wouldn't be accused of tinkering either, now would he?
He has a set of footballing beliefs, a philosophy that was instilled by way of Cruyff and years of playing, and I'm pretty sure, based on his use of tactics, that adaptation to varying circumstances is one of the tenets.

I'm starting to wonder what professional accumen you've amassed that can outweigh that experience and that allows you to be so reductive and dismissive of one of the greatest professionals the sport has known. My guess 'd be none.

 

[SPIDERBOY]

Maybe Willy just isn't as solid as you'd wish?

Viagra is the answer.