Claudio Bravo - 2016/2017 performances (continued)

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you got any proof he isn't

looks to me he's stubborn. any other player so off form would be left out of the side.

as for authority I have it spades, if I say a player is shit, he's shit. if a player is outstanding i'll say so and i'd be right.

i'd love to be wrong on Bravo but as I say i'm usually spot on.

The burden of proof is on you Billy boy, as you're the one making these baseless claims.

But as I'm too kind, I've already provided arguments in previous posts that do away with your ridiculous assumptions or, at least, shed a different light on a rather warped perspective.

As a further kindness, might I remind you that your gifted authority is purely subjective and of no consequence or much value to anyone, other than yourself?
 
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The burden of proof is on you Billy boy, as you're the one making these baseless claims.

But as I'm too kind, I've already provided arguments in previous posts that do away with your ridiculous assumptions or, at least, shed a different light on a rather warped perspective.

As a further kindness, might I remind you that your gifted authority is purely subjective and of no consequence or much value to anyone, other than yourself.
you may mock but I bet Pep seeks my wisdom very soon.
 
@Bill, are you intentionally ignoring this question or was it just an oversight on your part?
didn't spot it.

ok lets say I am wrong (laughing) and although that guillem balague calls him stubborn, Pep is in fact not stubborn could you tell me why he would persist with player when he is clearly out of form? is Pep that poor a manager he misses something so obvious?
 
Watching the City - Spurs game after Lloris conceded their two goals I finally thought Bravo would have a better game than an opposing keeper but I was quite disappointed. He had a clear chance to attack the ball on Alli's goal (where he looked timid on his goal line), and Son's goal he seemed to react slowly (even though Spur's had quite a decent build up). I feel like the media has finally got to him and he's starting to completely breakdown. Still interested to see what Pep's future plans are. But we just can't afford to give away 2 goals on 2 attempts. As much as I'd like to see him play well I don't believe his future is bright at City

So, if those two goals were say, penalties you would hold the same opinion? His future not being bright won't surely be helped by fuckwit fans who jeer him at the games
 
didn't spot it.

ok lets say I am wrong (laughing) and although that guillem balague calls him stubborn, Pep is in fact not stubborn could you tell me why he would persist with player when he is clearly out of form? is Pep that poor a manager he misses something so obvious?

I didn't say you were wrong, I was looking for an example of where he showed this before because I was wondering what you basing your opinion on.

As to your question, can't say with any certainty but perhaps he has faith in him to turn it around, perhaps he feels if he drops him that will be more damaging long term.
 
you may mock but I bet Pep seeks my wisdom very soon.

I'm sure that'll right the ship and we'll be forever indebted to you, oh luminous oracle.


didn't spot it.

ok lets say I am wrong (laughing) and although that guillem balague calls him stubborn, Pep is in fact not stubborn could you tell me why he would persist with player when he is clearly out of form? is Pep that poor a manager he misses something so obvious?

It's a leap but maybe, just maybe, an out of form Bravo is still the better option.
Willy hasn't been exactly awe inspiring over the years, now has he?
He wasn't even considered as a worthy backup by some on here and now he would suddenly be the answer to our defensive woes.
I just don't see it and I'm guessing the people that deal with the keepers on a day to day basis, don't see it either.

Anyway, I'd still like to see one example of Pep letting his ego get in the way of making a decision that would benefit the team. Guess I shouldn't be holding my breath.
 
didn't spot it.

ok lets say I am wrong (laughing) and although that guillem balague calls him stubborn, Pep is in fact not stubborn could you tell me why he would persist with player when he is clearly out of form? is Pep that poor a manager he misses something so obvious?
It's only obvious to fans who blame every single goal on him. Maybe the manager sees it as it is - just a thought Bill
 
I'm sure that'll right the ship and we'll be forever indebted to you, oh luminous oracle.




It's a leap but maybe, just maybe, an out of form Bravo is still the better option.
Willy hasn't been exactly awe inspiring over the years, now has he?
He wasn't even considered as a worthy backup by some on here and now he would suddenly be the answer to our defensive woes.
I just don't see it and I'm guessing the people that deal with the keepers on a day to day basis, don't see it either.

Anyway, I'd still like to see one example of Pep letting his ego get in the way of making a decision that would benefit the team. Guess I shouldn't be holding my breath.
you are seeing it right now.
 
well they would be wrong. he's not good enough but he certainly isn't to blame for every goal. nobody is.

You have to admit Bill that there are many posters on here who have claimed him to be at fault, which as you correctly say, is wrong. Who (and by that, I mean who matters) is saying he isn't good enough? As a fan base, we can hold views on players, but we are hardly best placed to say whether someone is or is not good enough. Pundits, will have more knowledge but again, I doubt they have the in depth knowledge of our players and what we are expecting.

As one or two others have said, he needs at least one season before any reasoned judgement can be made as not everyone settles immediately, irrespective of seniority and experience
 
blooding a young winger in the team and using him as a sub and subbing him to get him used to the way we play is one thing and yes judge him in the second season.

you are talking about a 34 year old international goalie who played for Barca. A goalie is very different to a winger in terms of impact and importance to the game and whether you are going to win lose or draw. If the goalie is out of form and is not making a contribution in games by making any saves in games then I am afraid giving him two years to sort it is a bit silly.
I said judge him, not give him 2 years. If he is our of form, you bench him as you should all out of form players.
 
I said judge him, not give him 2 years. If he is our of form, you bench him as you should all out of form players.

Ok, I think we should see how willy does at the weekend as he will play in the cup game but if we have another solid defensive performance and a clean sheet then I am not sure what message it sends if he sticks bravo back in the sticks for the next EPL game.
 
You have to admit Bill that there are many posters on here who have claimed him to be at fault, which as you correctly say, is wrong. Who (and by that, I mean who matters) is saying he isn't good enough? As a fan base, we can hold views on players, but we are hardly best placed to say whether someone is or is not good enough. Pundits, will have more knowledge but again, I doubt they have the in depth knowledge of our players and what we are expecting.

As one or two others have said, he needs at least one season before any reasoned judgement can be made as not everyone settles immediately, irrespective of seniority and experience
Pundits generally have less knowledge than the average fan. They simply don't watch any one team enough in my opinion.
 
Ok, I think we should see how willy does at the weekend as he will play in the cup game but if we have another solid defensive performance and a clean sheet then I am not sure what message it sends if he sticks bravo back in the sticks for the next EPL game.
Unless Pep starts Claudio to see if he can play him back into form and improve his confidence? (Not that he did anything wrong against spuds in my view.)
 
You have to admit Bill that there are many posters on here who have claimed him to be at fault, which as you correctly say, is wrong. Who (and by that, I mean who matters) is saying he isn't good enough? As a fan base, we can hold views on players, but we are hardly best placed to say whether someone is or is not good enough. Pundits, will have more knowledge but again, I doubt they have the in depth knowledge of our players and what we are expecting.

As one or two others have said, he needs at least one season before any reasoned judgement can be made as not everyone settles immediately, irrespective of seniority and experience
the snag is, and this is not entirely down to him, we simply cannot miss out on top four. we can't let a season go by to let anyone "bed in". its worse when its a goalie, its so specialized. he's been our weakest player this season which is some task when we have kolorov and clichy on our books. we need top notch in every position and we definitely don't have that when those 3 players are in the side. we need top top players just to defy the ref let alone our opponents. a decent keeper behind those two would make an enormous difference to our games.
 
Ok, I think we should see how willy does at the weekend as he will play in the cup game but if we have another solid defensive performance and a clean sheet then I am not sure what message it sends if he sticks bravo back in the sticks for the next EPL game.

The message might be unchanged:
"Bravo is my no.1 keeper. I wanted to have him for the way I want to play football. I trust him.
Bravo can handle criticism as well as myself, we are professionals. He can handle immense pressure as shown vs spurs.
We have to defend as a team, the keeper is just the last link.
If we start to convert our chances the discussion about the keeper will stop immediately."

Pep won't panic about Bravo like many on here, as he seems to have a different view about Bravo's performances.
Pep wanted to have Bravo here, he MUST be convinced about his qualities. As Bravo's strengths and weaknesses won't have changed sinced last summer, it might be about confidence, lacking fan support or a new life in a new country.
Pep's only choice is backing Bravo. That's why I am convinced he won't drop him until summer.

Then Willy will be out of contract and a new keeper will come in. Pep won't hesitate to change the ranking then. But not now.
Dropping Bravo now would weaken Bravo and Pep. It would be a strategic mistake.
If Willy would be no.1 from now on, what does Pep do if we concede some? Change again?

A solution has to be found for our weak point: our left back side. Just remember the goals vs Everton and Spurs, Leicester too. Left back.
 
the snag is, and this is not entirely down to him, we simply cannot miss out on top four. we can't let a season go by to let anyone "bed in". its worse when its a goalie, its so specialized. he's been our weakest player this season which is some task when we have kolorov and clichy on our books. we need top notch in every position and we definitely don't have that when those 3 players are in the side. we need top top players just to defy the ref let alone our opponents. a decent keeper behind those two would make an enormous difference to our games.
Bill, you keep saying he has been our weakest player but, forgetting your view, who is saying that? I for one don't believe for one moment those in the club think that. I see that label pinned on him only by fans who only view stats and take them as being black and white. If you allow pl quality forwards time and space at close quarters I would expect them to score irrespective of the keeper. I'm not saying he doesn't need to improve, but he is imo not our biggest problem by a long shot. I agree we need top4 but pinning failure to achieve on one person is ridiculous
 
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