Claudio Bravo - 2016/2017 performances (continued)

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Of course it does, I don't mean to be a dick but ffs that is a ridiculous question.

And btw it's not all that's being said and if you're honest you'll acknowledge that.
It wasn't meant to be a ridiculous question,i can only stand by what i said,His technique or lack there off is my big concern,it remains to be seen if that is a confidence issue but i would stilll expect him to be doing the basics better
I hope for a happy outcome as i want to have the best team we can and win things
 
This claim always makes me laugh. How exactly do they do this? By shooting when they are supposed to shoot?

And riddle me this, what do opponents do against keepers they are not targeting? Do they choose to 'not shoot' when they get a chance?

It's becoming silly up in here.

Its not ridiculous - taking your chances in front of goal can be a confidence thing especially when the keeper is stopping everything (c.f. Messi versus Hart last season). Anyone who has played football at any level knows that the decisions you make on the pitch are often based on the quality of the guy right in front of you. When you are up against a top keeper you have to try harder to find the angle (inside netting etc) - this means increasing the risk of missing rather than simply aiming for the target. There are even players who will aim it at the keeper just so they can satisfy themselves that they 'at least hit the target'. When a striker realises the keeper has no reflexes and cannot make a save to his immediate left or right they can be confident and have a punt and chances are its going in.

Prior to every City game the opposition manager will now be gee-ing up his players saying that there is a dodgy keeper out there and you have to test him at any opportunity - they would be crazy not to. They sense it, their fans sense it and we know it.

I tell you who is going to have the mick taken right out of them - the first striker to go 'one and one' versus Bravo and not score - the dressing room will tear that guy to pieces.

As I mentioned previously - we have seen plenty of City managers sticking to their guns regardless of what is actually happening on the pitch - usually a great player was sidelined whilst they did it - Pep will have to be above this if he wants to succeed because the Prem is one of those leagues where you can't carry that many players without getting found out.
 
It wasn't meant to be a ridiculous question,i can only stand by what i said,His technique or lack there off is my big concern,it remains to be seen if that is a confidence issue but i would stilll expect him to be doing the basics better
I hope for a happy outcome as i want to have the best team we can and win things

His basics have been pretty much spot on.

It's the far from basics he's being criticised for.
He's being slated for not performing at the very highest level.
He's been slated for not saving unopposed one and Ines and shots drilled into the corner.
 
His basics have been pretty much spot on.

It's the far from basics he's being criticised for.
He's being slated for not performing at the very highest level.
He's been slated for not saving unopposed one and Ines and shots drilled into the corner.
I am saying he has no spring and he is never at full stretch and his reactions are slow,that is the basics for me,distribution is fine
 
I am saying he has no spring and he is never at full stretch and his reactions are slow,that is the basics for me,distribution is fine

So you're telling me you've seen something in his game that Guardiola and the coaching staff have failed to see?

No disrespect, but I very much doubt you're qualified to make such observations and as of yet, I've not heard any of his detractors offer a credible argument to suggest his skill set is costing us goals.

He's being scapegoated for failing to pull off World class saves.
Still to hear which goals he's cost us outside of the derby and Barcelona.
 
Struggling for form? F
His record at Barca is being brought up to refute claims that he's shit, perhaps if his detractors acknowledged that he actually is a good keeper that is struggling for form then there would be no need to bring his record at Barca into the conversation.
Struggling for form?, fine,drop him like they would any other player.
 
Its not ridiculous - taking your chances in front of goal can be a confidence thing especially when the keeper is stopping everything (c.f. Messi versus Hart last season). Anyone who has played football at any level knows that the decisions you make on the pitch are often based on the quality of the guy right in front of you. When you are up against a top keeper you have to try harder to find the angle (inside netting etc) - this means increasing the risk of missing rather than simply aiming for the target. There are even players who will aim it at the keeper just so they can satisfy themselves that they 'at least hit the target'. When a striker realises the keeper has no reflexes and cannot make a save to his immediate left or right they can be confident and have a punt and chances are its going in.

Prior to every City game the opposition manager will now be gee-ing up his players saying that there is a dodgy keeper out there and you have to test him at any opportunity - they would be crazy not to. They sense it, their fans sense it and we know it.

I tell you who is going to have the mick taken right out of them - the first striker to go 'one and one' versus Bravo and not score - the dressing room will tear that guy to pieces.

As I mentioned previously - we have seen plenty of City managers sticking to their guns regardless of what is actually happening on the pitch - usually a great player was sidelined whilst they did it - Pep will have to be above this if he wants to succeed because the Prem is one of those leagues where you can't carry that many players without getting found out.

Suarez.
 
All of that is completely Incorrect. He was signed by Luis Enrique after he came in and saw ter Stegen wasn't good enough to be 1st choice at 22.



Indeed. perhaps you should look beyond ter Stegen's wikipedia page.

Ahhh Mr Argue for Argues sake right on cue

Wasn't good enough to play in La Liga but was good enough to play in the champions league?..LOL

What about what I said is on his wiki page, that he got injured?
Why do you fabricate such bollocks? Have you got a source saying Enrique didn't think Ter-Stegen was good enough? They were always going to sign 2 keepers, as both Valdes and Pinto were definitely leaving, you can't go into a season with 1 keeper can you ffs, nothing to do with Enrique not thinking Ter-Stegen was ready.

Bravo didn't concede in his first 700+ minutes of football at Barca, he earned the right to not be dropped for Ter-Stegen, went on to win the Zamora trophy, so kept his place the next season too, why would he be dropped?..That's the reason he played in the league, there was no reason for him not to, he had earned it.
 
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Struggling for form? F

Struggling for form?, fine,drop him like they would any other player.

Like I said to you already Bill, I'd have no issue with that but perhaps Pep sees doing that as more damaging long term. Maybe he believes that he can play his way back into form and that dropping him will destroy whatever confidence he has left.
 
Ahhh Mr Argue for Argues sake right on cue

Wasn't good enough to play in La Liga but was good enough to play in the champions league?..LOL

What about what I said is on his wiki page? Why do you fabricate such bollocks?.. Have you got a source saying Enrique didn't think Ter-Stegen was good enough? They were always going to sign 2 keepers, as both Valdes and Pinto were definitely leaving, you can't go into a season with 1 keeper can you ffs, nothing to do with Enrique not thinking Ter-Stegen was ready.

Bravo didn't concede in his first 700+ minutes of football at Barca, he earned the right to not be dropped for Ter-Stegen, went on to win the Zamora trophy, so kept his place the next season too, why would he be dropped?..That's the reason he played in the league, there was no reason for him not to, he had earned it.


Your argument defeats its self.

He was good enough to be number 1 and by your own words earned that.

So he was Barcelona's first choice as was said all along. He was so good in fact his form left him undroppable, by your own words.

So let's hope he rediscovers that form rather than being desperate for him to fail to look great on an Internet forum..
 
Its not ridiculous - taking your chances in front of goal can be a confidence thing especially when the keeper is stopping everything (c.f. Messi versus Hart last season). Anyone who has played football at any level knows that the decisions you make on the pitch are often based on the quality of the guy right in front of you. When you are up against a top keeper you have to try harder to find the angle (inside netting etc) - this means increasing the risk of missing rather than simply aiming for the target. There are even players who will aim it at the keeper just so they can satisfy themselves that they 'at least hit the target'. When a striker realises the keeper has no reflexes and cannot make a save to his immediate left or right they can be confident and have a punt and chances are its going in.

Prior to every City game the opposition manager will now be gee-ing up his players saying that there is a dodgy keeper out there and you have to test him at any opportunity - they would be crazy not to. They sense it, their fans sense it and we know it.

I tell you who is going to have the mick taken right out of them - the first striker to go 'one and one' versus Bravo and not score - the dressing room will tear that guy to pieces.

As I mentioned previously - we have seen plenty of City managers sticking to their guns regardless of what is actually happening on the pitch - usually a great player was sidelined whilst they did it - Pep will have to be above this if he wants to succeed because the Prem is one of those leagues where you can't carry that many players without getting found out.
Most players just shoot and try to score. It's not like guys are banging in goals from long range shots every game.

This 'targeting' talk is just that, talk!
 
Your argument defeats its self.

He was good enough to be number 1 and by your own words earned that.

So he was Barcelona's first choice as was said all along. He was so good in fact his form left him undroppable, by your own words.

So let's hope he rediscovers that form rather than being desperate for him to fail to look great on an Internet forum..

Surely the first choice keeper plays in the champions league too?...He made himself undroppable in the league, didn't make himself the outright number 1...Doesn't the fact that he was signed as an understudy, who luckily got his chance early on and he took it.
 
So you're telling me you've seen something in his game that Guardiola and the coaching staff have failed to see?

No disrespect, but I very much doubt you're qualified to make such observations and as of yet, I've not heard any of his detractors offer a credible argument to suggest his skill set is costing us goals.

He's being scapegoated for failing to pull off World class saves.
Still to hear which goals he's cost us outside of the derby and Barcelona.
I'm very sure that pep can see what is happening,willy is not the answer really so what does pep do? he has clearly decided to see if he can get back in form,he would drop anyother player in the team,he is either the unluckiest goalie in the prem or he skill set is flawed,every other goalie is facing the same players and making saves bravo gets nowhere near.As i said i want him to be good or give willy a run
I have watched football all my life thanks to having a dad and 3 brothers and as a fan i can form an opinion on any of our players as can everyone else
 
The fact that you claimed he wasn't number one at Barcelona, he was, he played just about every league game in his two seasons.

Think you need to read through your posts.

Look if thinking he was the outright number 1 of Barcelona helps you get to sleep tonight, I'll say no more on the matter.








He's still embarrassingly unsuited to this league and there's been absolutely nothing from his 17 appearances to suggest any kind of turn around can be expected in the future.
 
Surely the first choice keeper plays in the champions league too?...He made himself undroppable in the league, didn't make himself the outright number 1...Doesn't the fact that he was signed as an understudy, who luckily got his chance early on and he took it.

He wasn't signed as an understudy. Yet another work of fiction. You or I have no way of knowing that.
All we do know, he was the keeper who played in the league and played nearly double the games.
Madrid did the same with Navas & Casillas.
 
Look if thinking he was the outright number 1 of Barcelona helps you get to sleep tonight, I'll say no more on the matter.








He's still embarrassingly unsuited to this league and there's been absolutely nothing from his 17 appearances to suggest any kind of turn around can be expected in the future.

Can you expand on why you believe he's not suited to this league?

As far as I can make out the type of shot he's letting in isn't exclusive to English football, that's the reason I ask, so any help understanding this pov would be appreciated.
 
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