Claudio Bravo - 2016/2017 performances (continued)

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karen7 said:
I'm very sure that pep can see what is happening,willy is not the answer really so what does pep do? he has clearly decided to see if he can get back in form,he would drop anyother player in the team,he is either the unluckiest goalie in the prem or he skill set is flawed,every other goalie is facing the same players and making saves bravo gets nowhere near.As i said i want him to be good or give willy a run
I have watched football all my life thanks to having a dad and 3 brothers and as a fan i can form an opinion on any of our players as can everyone else
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You're more than entitled to form any opinion you like.
Questioning a players technically ability is not quite the same however.
 
01cravend said:
Look if thinking he was the outright number 1 of Barcelona helps you get to sleep tonight, I'll say no more on the matter.








He's still embarrassingly unsuited to this league and there's been absolutely nothing from his 17 appearances to suggest any kind of turn around can be expected in the future.
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As @Rolee has asked, which goals has his unsuitability to the league been responsible for?

We've conceded from just 1 corner and 1 set piece. Neither were totally his fault.

Which league don't you face one and Ines in?
Which league, which international tournaments don't strikers shoot in?

Nearly every goal he's conceded, in fact every goal he's conceded has been assisted by a City mistake, normally a howler at that.

Which goal has he been at fault for that is indicative of this league?
 
He is dire, he is not fit for purpose and I have not heard a single, relevant sentence uttered on here that can refute this fact. His previous class, appearances and trophies won elsewhere have no bearing on this discussion, at present he has not played a single game of note.
I don't condone any form of abuse against him but I really wish Pep would drop him and get willy in until we can find a player who can perform week in week out in the PL, I just cant see Bravo improving, not in the short, medium or long term, he is costing us big time as one part of a very shaky defensive unit.
 
schfc6 said:
You're more than entitled to form any opinion you like.
Questioning a players technically ability is not quite the same however.
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Why not? i watch all the prem games,i can see the different techniques and saves the others are making and why
I have never compared him to joe on here because it was right he went and it's like he's never been here now but he made great saves time after time against every team in the league and CL,we downgraded in shot stopping to get better distribution,the former is essential to getting points in this league,the latter is not so useful but i assume it will be when pep has had a couple of years here
 
schfc6 said:
He wasn't signed as an understudy. Yet another work of fiction. You or I have no way of knowing that.
All we do know, he was the keeper who played in the league and played nearly double the games.
Madrid did the same with Navas & Casillas.
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He played in double the game because there are mire league games than cup games ffs

Navas played in 2 dead rubber champions league games and a few la liga games, hardly the same lol
 
domalino said:
Not only that, but the whole "I don't care what he's done before" argument is bullshit.

If we bought Messi in the summer and he got off to a bad start would people say the same? Or, would people rightly recognise his performances over the last decade and realise that Messi isn't shit, he's not a fraud, he might just need some time to adapt and settle in?
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The Bravo bashers won't like that logic. Nor the fact the Doughnut Thief and others closer to home have been shit in their first seasond
 
Rolee said:
Like I said to you already Bill, I'd have no issue with that but perhaps Pep sees doing that as more damaging long term. Maybe he believes that he can play his way back into form and that dropping him will destroy whatever confidence he has left.
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I really don't think it's about Bravo himself. I'm certain it's about facts. Bravo is a superior shot stopper to Willy, and an even far superior footballer to boot.

So assuming it is true that his confidence is shot, dropping him will actually cause more problems than it solves. As we'd be poorer in possession and concede more shots then.

The argument being made by the "Pseudo Joe Hart fan club" is that the superiority in shotstopping ability they have now suddenly ascribed to Willy is so much more superior to Bravo's, that even with an increased number of shots against, it would end up an overall positive for City.

Pep doesn't seem to buy that argument. Neither do I. On average, Bravo has given up 6 more goals over this season, than a comparable keeper should have based on regression statistics (or some shit I don't fully understand- Sqwuaka can explain better).

However, his team partly due to a play style he has been instrumental to (or at worst a equal participant in) City has conceded 24 fewer chances than a team with similar stats would have. So the claim.here is that if we switch Keepers over the next 16 games. Willy will not only save the 4-5 of those shot Bravo is unlikely to save if this form continues, but he'd also save another 4-7 extra shots to boot from the 14-18 more shots we are likely to concede due to a switch away from the Sweeper keeper system.

When viewed in such clinical light, it's not hard to see why Pep might rather stick it out with Bravo. Clearly, to the dismay of those who prefer to believe their eyes and trust what they see (:
 
karen7 said:
Why not? i watch all the prem games,i can see the different techniques and saves the others are making and why
I have never compared him to joe on here because it was right he went and it's like he's never been here now but he made great saves time after time against every team in the league and CL,we downgraded in shot stopping to get better distribution,the former is essential to getting points in this league,the latter is not so useful but i assume it will be when pep has had a couple of years here
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Yes, but your opinion is suggesting a fundamental flaw in his technique.
One that isn't an opinion and with almost zero evidence.
Let alone an opinion that is t shared by the very best managers & coaches in World football.
 
01cravend said:
He played in double the game because there are mire league games than cup games ffs

Navas played in 2 dead rubber champions league games and a few la liga games, hardly the same lol
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Yes, he played double the games because he was number 1.

Casillas played 2 league games in one season.. He became the cup keeper.
 
mosssideblue said:
But I sense you and others Kaz are placing all the blame at his doorstep, and that is simply flawed
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Never have blamed him for everything,the defence has been a shambles at times,however your goalie has to be good enough to pull off amazing saves and get them out of the shit now and again and imo he doesn't
Football is really not that difficult if everyone does their job well,to me he is as big a weak link as our left backs are,i'm willing him to make some saves and get confident and push on,it's not in our interest to want anything different,we all want the same thing at the end of the day
 
schfc6 said:
Yes, but your opinion is suggesting a fundamental flaw in his technique.
One that isn't an opinion and with almost zero evidence.
Let alone an opinion that is t shared by the very best managers & coaches in World football.
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Do you really think pep is happy with him at the moment,distribution aside?
 
schfc6 said:
Yes, he played double the games because he was number 1.

Casillas played 2 league games in one season.. He became the cup keeper.
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Sleep tight buddy

Who is our number 1 left back? and right back?

The season before, when Navas wasn't there..Then they signed Navas and Casillas played 32 league games and 10 champs league games and then left for Porto.
 
karen7 said:
Never have blamed him for everything,the defence has been a shambles at times,however your goalie has to be good enough to pull off amazing saves and get them out of the shit now and again and imo he doesn't
Football is really not that difficult if everyone does their job well,to me he is as big a weak link as our left backs are,i'm willing him to make some saves and get confident and push on,it's not in our interest to want anything different,we all want the same thing at the end of the day
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Yes, we all want the best but even the most ardent anti Bravo should be able to put there arguments forward without resorting to exaggeration or consideration for his obvious ability, whether we are seeing that or not at the moment
 
01cravend said:
Sleep tight buddy

Who is our number 1 left back? and right back?

The season before, when Navas wasn't there..Then they signed Navas and Casillas played 32 league games and 10 champs league games and then left for Porto.
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Apologies it was Lopez that replaced Casillas as number 1, point remains. They had a clear 1 & 2.

If you don't understand the difference between rotating fullbacks and assigning a number 1 keeper and giving his understudy cup games, then I'm not sure football is for you.
 
schfc6 said:
Yes, but then I'm not desperate to find fault in him. Name a goal that was all on Bravo...
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He doesn't have to make a obvious mistake like throwing one in to the net,his one on owns are truely pathetic,his positioning is usually off,more shots go past him than he is saving as per stats someone posted the other day
There really is no point to repeating myself in every post so i'll agree to disagree with you as we are not getting anywhere
Please bravo show us your class and soon,we can't wait the whole season and be out of the top 4
 
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