Claudio Bravo - 2016/2017 performances (continued)

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So I'm not allowed to use stats to prove de Gea is shit because they don't show the full picture but we can use stats to show Bravo is?
Not very fair I feel
 
why because I do not agree with you. are you a rag? I believe only supporters of other teams would want bravo to stay. I have noticed on this this thread there is a lot of aggression towards posters who think Claudio is crap. I go home and away watching city and I will say again he is the worst keeper I have ever seen playing for city. 28 goals we have let in this season in the league if we had had a decent goalie it would have been a lot less
How does that make your opinion more valid? As far as I'm aware they don't give you a seat near to Bravo at both ends. You'll actually see conceded goals from many more angles on TV. Fair play for going to home and away matches though.
 
That's a Pep issue. Albeit I don't buy into that type of thinking. It's archaic old adage that carryno real truth. Nastacic got his start at Barnebau if I remember correctly.

But I agree he should be benched just for the value change might bring. He is still our best Longterm option for this season. And I think Pep realizes that.
Of course he realises it,he'll do nothing about it though.
 
why because I do not agree with you. are you a rag? I believe only supporters of other teams would want bravo to stay. I have noticed on this this thread there is a lot of aggression towards posters who think Claudio is crap. I go home and away watching city and I will say again he is the worst keeper I have ever seen playing for city. 28 goals we have let in this season in the league if we had had a decent goalie it would have been a lot less
Because you like to refer to our player as a clown. You and other bashers cannot put an argument forward worthy of a debate because you are simply to ingrained with your bias. As for trying to label me a rag, as I said, time for you to grow up, your embarrassing yourself again. Finally, can you prove we would have conceded les? the answer is no but that won't resonate with you because you cannot obviously understand that
 
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Because you like to refer to our player as a clown. You and other bashers cannot put an argument forward worthy of a debate because you are simply to ingrained with your bias. As for trying to label me a rag, as I said, time for you to grow up, your embarrassing yourself again. Finally, can you prove we would have conceded les? the answer is no but that won't resonate with you because you cannot obviously understand that
so you think bravo is a good keeper? of course we would have conceded less I can list any number of goals a decent keeper would have saved. he is not a good shop stopper. you like to insult posters calling them childish or whatever and you think that makes your opinion more valid. what you or I think ultimately counts for nothing and I am resigned to the fact that bravo is undroppable at least for this season. I see that Guardiola wants to instil playing from the back it is how he plays. he needs to make our whole defence a lot stronger the FACT that we have let 28 goals the second worse in the top 11 and twice as many as spurs and Chelsea proves this.
 
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So I'm not allowed to use stats to prove de Gea is shit because they don't show the full picture but we can use stats to show Bravo is?
Not very fair I feel


The funny thing is, these same posters now hitting us with stats weren't interested in Bravo's stats earlier in the season.

Sadly for many the narrative was set when Paul Merson started ranting about preferring keepers who were good with their hands back in September.
 
Because you like to refer to our player as a clown. You and other bashers cannot put an argument forward worthy of a debate because you are simply to ingrained with your bias. As for trying to label me a rag, as I said, time for you to grow up, your embarrassing yourself again. Finally, can you prove we would have conceded les? the answer is no but that won't resonate with you because you cannot obviously understand that

another attempt to divert.

keep it up you are doing well.
 
The funny thing is, these same posters now hitting us with stats weren't interested in Bravo's stats earlier in the season.

Sadly for many the narrative was set when Paul Merson started ranting about preferring keepers who were good with their hands back in September.
Exactly, don't get me wrong, I'm not sitting here saying Bravo hasn't been rather lacklustre but the fickle nature of this forum is incredible sometimes
 
It's impossible to prove we would've conceded less with Caballero starting instead of Bravo. Personally I think it likely.
 
It is impossible but in simplistic terms here's one to consider

Caballero has made 10 appearances this season and kept two clean sheets, so 1 in 5.

Bravo has made 23 appearances and kept 5 clean sheets, so 1 in 4.6.
 
Mossideblue it is impossible for us to concede anymore the 6 goals from 6 shots on target in the last two matches. Bravo simply hasn't been good enough stats will tell you that. Think he needs to head to the reserves for afew games to get out of the media spotlight and get his confidence back.
 
so you think bravo is a good keeper? of course we would have conceded less I can list any number of goals a decent keeper would have saved. he is not a good shop stopper. you like to insult posters calling them childish or whatever and you think that makes your opinion more valid. what you or I think ultimately counts for nothing and I am resigned to the fact that bravo is undroppable at least for this season. I see that Guardiola wants to instil playing from the back it is how he plays. he needs to make our whole defence a lot stronger the FACT that we have let 28 goals the second worse in the top 11 and twice as many as spurs and Chelsea proves this.

As we are going in circles - maybe being a bit bored in life waiting for the next matchday as myself - I'll try this offer:

Everybody will agree on here to your last sentence's view about our defence. The lads on here defending Bravo like myself just seem to overcompensate the bashing of others. Of course Bravo is not perfect and I suppose if anybody on Bluemoon would have a free choice nobody would pick Bravo as City's no.1. In my view he is on a similar level to many other top keepers, with special strengths and also weaknesses.

"Good" or "bad" keeper is a matter of definition. Or taste. Or sympathy. It's incomparable between two perspectives.

Would City have conceded less with a different keeper? That's should woulda coulda. Hindsight always works.

And statistics ALWAYS compare just numbers, but they are missing out the quality of events, the soft factors. I know a lot about study design in the pharma industry when you need approval for a new drug: you can show anything you want by statistics. You just have to make up your mind first what you want to prove and then setup the perfect statistical design. Ask Churchill... ;-)

Bottom line: it's okay to argue a bit when we are bored, but scapegoating and witch hunting is against fundamental values and has a taste. I don't like that, and I feel many others on here as well. We just ask for a bit of a balanced view. IMO.
 
so you think bravo is a good keeper? of course we would have conceded less I can list any number of goals a decent keeper would have saved. he is not a good shop stopper. you like to insult posters calling them childish or whatever and you think that makes your opinion more valid. what you or I think ultimately counts for nothing and I am resigned to the fact that bravo is undroppable at least for this season. I see that Guardiola wants to instil playing from the back it is how he plays. he needs to make our whole defence a lot stronger the FACT that we have let 28 goals the second worse in the top 11 and twice as many as spurs and Chelsea proves this.

Yes, he is a good keeper who is clearly out of form - obviously you disagree (your prerogative). He has though convinced Chillian National Coach, Barca Head Coach and Pep and his staff he is not the duffer you clearly think he is. How do you think he managed to do that?
I would agree we haven't yet seen those levels of performance, but that is different to say he hasn't got them in him which is what you're saying.
No, you cannot prove another keeper would save them - think about that
If by calling you out saying your making yourself look silly or embarrassing yourself for what you posted, then this forum is not for you. If you are going to call our players clowns or state things that could never be proven as being fact, you should expect a lot more.
Of those 28 goals conceded, how many would you put down solely to Bravo.
The fact we have stats to say we have let in 28 goals only proves we have let in 28 goals, it doesn't prove the keeper is/was at fault for them all (except for the bashers)
Oh, I'm not a rag either
 
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