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I don't remember the outrage when Obama first set the visa restrictions for the listed countries. I must have been asleep that week. It's surprising how much anger trump has caused by simply making the restriction more effective.
I'm clearly missing something.?

Obama's 2015 act didn't ban anyone. It just added an interview to vet people from Iraq before they could obtain a visa. Trump's recent order goes far beyond that to an actual ban.what Trump did was issue an executive order, which requires only Presidential authority. What Obama did was sign a bill into law, and then execute the bill.
 
I agree, it really makes you wonder what goes on doesn't it.

I can't remember a president getting elected to such uproar and derision, you would think that we had a clear plan for how we were going to play this out over the first couple of months until we really understood the lie of the land but if this is the best that we could come up with them I am worried about the future.

The same committee that set out or post Brexit strategy were put on it hence the coherent success it has been so far Lol - Foreign Office puts out a message saying any UK citizens that are dual nationality with one of the affected countries won't be affected - they had Trumps word. Then today the US embassy in London says any dual nationals aren't getting visas so nobody apply. Its a shambles both sides of the pond !
 
I don't remember the outrage when Obama first set the visa restrictions for the listed countries. I must have been asleep that week. It's surprising how much anger trump has caused by simply making the restriction more effective.
I'm clearly missing something.?

Maybe its not the substance its the style - Obama wasn't so outwardly aggressive to all and sundry so it wasn't what he did it was the way that he did it to misquote the song
 
I don't remember the outrage when Obama first set the visa restrictions for the listed countries. I must have been asleep that week. It's surprising how much anger trump has caused by simply making the restriction more effective.
I'm clearly missing something.?

Singeing your hair is not the same as spontaneous human combustion.
 
Obama's 2015 act didn't ban anyone. It just added an interview to vet people from Iraq before they could obtain a visa. Trump's recent order goes far beyond that to an actual ban.what Trump did was issue an executive order, which requires only Presidential authority. What Obama did was sign a bill into law, and then execute the bill.

Spot on. the 2 are not compariable. the fact people are is quite scary to be honest.
 
Maybe its not the substance its the style - Obama wasn't so outwardly aggressive to all and sundry so it wasn't what he did it was the way that he did it to misquote the song

That would be a misguided attempt to cast Trump in the same only different mould.

No, Trump is a very different beast indeed.
 
Obama's 2015 act didn't ban anyone. It just added an interview to vet people from Iraq before they could obtain a visa. Trump's recent order goes far beyond that to an actual ban.what Trump did was issue an executive order, which requires only Presidential authority. What Obama did was sign a bill into law, and then execute the bill.

But but but that's exactly the same (except for the words and the meaning obviously)!

I feel that I should be outraged!
 
I don't remember the outrage when Obama first set the visa restrictions for the listed countries. I must have been asleep that week. It's surprising how much anger trump has caused by simply making the restriction more effective.
I'm clearly missing something.?

It's already been covered in this thread.

Obama changed the processing of visa applications from Iraq for 6 months, it added stricter processing which many said was an actual ban. He limited immigration to around 70,000 a year.

Trump stops this also, will lower it a little to 50,000 but what he's done is extend the ban to 6 other countries and also stopped legal immigration with the banning of people who have green cards and visas who have lived in America for years.

Trump also went against the advice of his National Security team and did an executive order demoting the influence of the Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff and other military advisers whilst bumping permantly on to the council the former editor of Breitbart Steve Bannon who is his chief adviser.

Bannon is a self confessed white nationalist and Russia supporter.

If you want a very conservative look at what Trump has done read this http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...-order-no-muslim-ban-separating-fact-hysteria
 
In 5-10 pages someone will ask again... But but Obama did this !? what about Hilary ?! its bullsh*t deflection which Mr Trump preys on.

It's all noises off, look over here, look over here, yes, but, the same only different.

Difficult to tell the difference between the genuinely confused right wingers and the right wingers deliberately sowing confusion,

Handy tip, he deliberate ones tend to use longer words.
 
https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.yz5l0eb59
Guys have a read of this piece. it's the first decent piece I've come across with good analysis and insight into what actually took place over the weekend.

It also has a very interesting tidbit about the sale of Russian oil.

Yeah, very interesting.

It links to this piece also, which is pretty scary.

https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/what-things-going-wrong-can-look-like-400f84a0cc3a#.omw29rcn8

May well be blowing things out of proportion, but vigilance is necessary.
 
Not sure if it's been suggested already but I'd imagine Trump will claim to be both a New York City fan and a Manchester City fan at some point this year. I bet he just loved the Sheikh.

What will we do then... oh the shame... :-)
 
Not sure if it's been suggested already but I'd imagine Trump will claim to be both a New York City fan and a Manchester City fan at some point this year. I bet he just loved the Sheikh.

What will we do then... oh the shame... :-)

The Sheikh is Muslim so Trump will automatically dislike him.
 
The Sheikh is Muslim so Trump will automatically dislike him.
I think to be fair to Trump he sees beyond a person's religious background (when they are multi-multi-billionaires with interests in NY).
 
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