inchy14
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Totally agree mate.He isn't entirely wrong though, even if he doesn't help himself sometimes with the way he puts his points across.
Totally agree mate.He isn't entirely wrong though, even if he doesn't help himself sometimes with the way he puts his points across.
ours are MAJOR failures theirs are minor so no issueThis is potentially a stupid question and I apologise if so. Some of the charges that have been thrown our way is that we failed UEFAs ffp (I think). Now this got me wondering if that is a charge for us shouldn’t UTD also be charged with failing UEFA FFP?
I don’t think I have seen this answered anywhere but apologise if it has.
The spitting image of my wife. She refuses to wear the mask these days!
It is not true there is no time bar in the PL. It is subject to both the Statute of Limitations and the Arbitration Act. Their limitations are not removed by the PL not putting them in their rules.It’s a lie to say that the city execs have faced and defeated these charges before.
If you disagree with that you’re disagreeing with reality.
And no, the period is not longer because the investigation went on longer, it’s longer because there’s no time bar in the PL, so they can span 9 years not 5.
They don’t cover the same accounts because the 2009-2014 accounts were not involved in the uefa case.
They are not the same allegations, anyone who has spent 2 minutes in this thread knows that, let alone you.
We are obviously biased, but I'd suggest that the reason we listen so avidly to people like @Prestwich_Blue and @projectriver (and the many other excellent contributors on here) is because we're genuinly trying to understand a fairly complex situation and the MSM offers neither explanation nor balance.Clearly a forum of City fans has about as biased a view on FFP as is possible. Of course we do, again if we can’t acknowledge our own biases then we can’t have a grown up conversation.
Was reading some of the CASS verdict this morning provided by one of the posters. Obviously some of the text is boring and repetitive, but one of the things I took away from it was the many references / mention of FFP and the importance of it to football (and the EU 'guidance' issues on the challenge to it) and how important it was that City did not minimalise it's importance by their actions (non cooperation).
Trouble is, if it was so perfect then - why does it need changing now?
Best post of the day and nailed on.It's like discussing the decor of the main ballroom on the Titanic, instead of bailing into the lifeboats.
I knew bits about FFP, but there seemed no coherent explanation about our specific situation until @Prestwich_Blue took part in a discussion on YouTube.
Using his take on matters, I did my own detailed research & tried to simplify it for the FFP lay-members amongst our fans.
Essentially, UEFA & the PL are accusing us of fraud, but daren't use the word for fear of the legal can of worms it would open.
When we as fans get entangled with all the innuendo, nods & winks from the governing bodies which are designed to damage our reputation & public image, & ultimately stunt our challenge to their cherished cartel clubs, we lose sight of what all these alleged breaches are really about & designed to do.
They've failed to stop us on the field, so now they're trying to stop us from the boardroom. That's the tall & short of it.
Cutting to the chase, I repeat they're essentially accusing City of fraud. If this is the case, it's long past the time that the PL & UEFA should come out & say so, or shut the fuck up.
Personally, I'm done playing their idiotic games. The more we try to unpick their 115 breach bollocks, the more we add fuel to the fire they started.
This is why when faced with vitriolic opposition fans, I keep it simple & basic. "If you're calling City cheats, this implies fraud. So where's your proof?". This for me is the beginning & end of the matter.
CAS have already ruled UEFA had no evidence, so why the fuck are the PL picking up their baton & coming at us using the same charges which have already failed?
It's all bollocks mate. They need to call our alleged breaches what they keep hinting at, & suffer the consequences. The thing I keep highlighting to all is why aren't/don't they?
Outside of this, I'm not getting dragged any deeper into their bullshit rabbit hole about processes, rules or whatever, which are plainly the only mechanisms they have left to stop Manchester City Football Club.
It is not true there is no time bar in the PL. It is subject to both the Statute of Limitations and the Arbitration Act. Their limitations are not removed by the PL not putting them in their rules.
You clearly do not understand how the law works. Have you read the Arbitration Act? If not, I suggest you do.Wrong again, it is true that there’s no time bar in the Premier League rules unlike UEFA’s. Thats a fact, I don’t care if you can’t stomach it.
Both are subject to the law of the land in which they’re enforced, which is what you’re pointing out, but that is something completely different. CAS would have allowed the earlier evidence into the case if it was looking at the PL’s rule book and the club would have to go to a high court after a verdict to appeal on the grounds of the statute of limitations.