City going after fans who gave their ticket to mates at Madrid

KS55 said:
Yep. Not one director has any connection to City, Manchester or football.
A fucking disgrace.
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What is the disgrace exactly? I know some people have a bee in their bonnet about this (I assume you are talking about Directors, not directors). But what do you think the role of the Directors at a club like City is? To look after the club? To worry about Manchester? To care about football?

I would suggest their main role is to make sure the executive is doing what Mansour wants (or in the case of the Director representing Silverlake at whatever level, what they want) while also making sure the company meets its statutory requirements.

I do have, and always have had, a problem with where Mansour (and his advisors) gets his football knowledge from to decide what it is he wants. I never bought into the argument that he just appoints the "best people" and "let's them get on with it". He is smarter than that.

Football experience on the Board would be a good place to gain that knowledge, but not the only one.

Put it this way. Would having Soriano on the Board, for example (which is likely when he retires in a couple of years), solve your problem or make it worse?
 
halfcenturyup said:
What is the disgrace exactly? I know some people have a bee in their bonnet about this (I assume you are talking about Directors, not directors). But what do you think the role of the Directors at a club like City is? To look after the club? To worry about Manchester? To care about football?

I would suggest their main role is to make sure the executive is doing what Mansour wants (or in the case of the Director representing Silverlake at whatever level, what they want) while also making sure the company meets its statutory requirements.

I do have, and always have had, a problem with where Mansour (and his advisors) gets his football knowledge from to decide what it is he wants. I never bought into the argument that he just appoints the "best people" and "let's them get on with it". He is smarter than that.

Football experience on the Board would be a good place to gain that knowledge, but not the only one.

Put it this way. Would having Soriano on the Board, for example (which is likely when he retires in a couple of years), solve your problem or make it worse?
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This is a big subject. Suffice it for now to say that if Mansour wishes to make sustainable profits from City, he and his board need to understand that football operates in a mass consumer market. I know of no mass market company that has survived long term without knowledge of that market. I know plenty that have fallen apart thru lack of market savvy.
The solution is quite simple: a football board to make decisions for City. Maybe then Soriano (representing only CFG) would not waltz in and impose a ticketing policy that even Khaldoon said was a mess and had to back track.
The CFG board would still specify their requirements of City in profit terms but the City board would decide how to meet that. In a well organised conglomerate that is how the relationship between the holding company and the subsidiaries works.
(PS I doubt Soriano has any idea of the ill feeling he has created but his relationship to City vs CFG is a big study in its own right.)
 
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KS55 said:
This is a big subject. Suffice it for now to say that if Mansour wishes to make sustainable profits from City, he and his board need to understand that football operates in a mass consumer market. I know of no mass market company that has survived long term without knowledge of that market. I know plenty that have fallen apart thru lack of market savvy.
The solution is quite simple: a football board to make decisions for City. Maybe then Soriano (representing only CFG) would not waltz in and impose a ticketing policy that even Khaldoon said was a mess and had to back track.
The CFG board would still specify their requirements of City in profit terms but the City board would decide how to meet that. In a well organised conglomerate that is how the relationship between the holding company and the subsidiaries works.
(PS I doubt Soriano has any idea of the ill feeling he has created but his relationship to City vs CFG is a big study in its own right.)
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Yes, I understand all that, of course. But I could argue that there is a football "board" at club level, comprised of some of the most experienced football executives on the planet. And yes, I am aware that makes me sound like a "he appoints the best people and leaves them to it" merchant :) As always, it isn't that simple.

You are right that football experience on the Board would be one way, maybe even the most desirable way. But I am not sure that lack of that experience, although a weakness, is a "disgrace" as there are other ways for a shareholder to effectively monitor the executive.

I am assuming Mansour wants to keep a softly-softly approach to his investment and keep what's left of his Spanish triumvirate happy.

On the other hand, if I were Mansour after the embarrassment of the protests last season I would be keeping a very close eye, through Khaldoon, on what Soriano is up to regards fan engagement. Maybe give Mancini another Al Jazira contract and see how Soriano reacts (not being entirely serious) :)

Unless, of course, the current governance is working perfectly and Soriano is doing exactly what Mansour wants, but I am not quite at the point where I want to ditch my belief that Mansour and Khaldoon are men of their word (grosso modo) just yet.
 
I think we need to seriously consider moving to a ballot system for away matches. I’m not saying it would fix everything, and it wouldn’t stop people passing tickets on to Blues, but it would at least prevent tickets filtering down to Matchday Members. Recently, I’ve seen most away games drop to around 10k points, which is the lowest level of demand I can remember for City away matches.


There’s also the issue with the 18–25 scheme once supporters turn 26, they’re effectively locked out of the big away games and are left with midweek trips or lower-demand fixtures. The current points system feels outdated and really needs to be reviewed.
 
Ryan Kinlon said:
I think we need to seriously consider moving to a ballot system for away matches. I’m not saying it would fix everything, and it wouldn’t stop people passing tickets on to Blues, but it would at least prevent tickets filtering down to Matchday Members. Recently, I’ve seen most away games drop to around 10k points, which is the lowest level of demand I can remember for City away matches.


There’s also the issue with the 18–25 scheme once supporters turn 26, they’re effectively locked out of the big away games and are left with midweek trips or lower-demand fixtures. The current points system feels outdated and really needs to be reviewed.
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The issue is, there are three different pots
Points
SC
Corporate

Points can’t be taken away as they sold platinum and points for attending, a good solicitor would drive a bus through em as the next PPI claim

You could say the OSC is now outdated too as it no longer provides the service it did in previous decades when they would get enough tickets to fill a bus. Most say they struggle to fill a tandem now so what’s the point

The 18-25 only came in 3/4 years ago and is better than nothing
No points now as that was shutdown 4/5 years ago so everyone is f***** as your trip to Southampton on a Tuesday when no one else can be arsed is now in vain with respect to you trying to catch up


The club is only targeting the point holders
The ones who have spend £££££sss getting to were there are in the pecking order doing silly trips to Brighton & Sunderland on a Wed night
Trips across Europe whist losing sleep and eating into your holiday allowance etc etc
And many of us still attend as we weren’t in it for the points. We were in it to watch city

On the other hand you can ‘as proven’ in this thread join an OSC with a membership card and a ticket for Old Trafford whilst if you have 23900 points will miss out

Or throw a few grand at city for a padded seat and chicken in a basket and get first dibs at the games you chose and pass it on to whichever person/ business connection you feel (FACT) with no questions asked and if it’s names on tickets city will oblige (FACT)

See you at Forest Sunderland and Old Trafford
 
halfcenturyup said:
If it's only a Spanish law requirement, why are City following up on people who were caught out by it (which was the point of the thread if I understood it correctly). What does it matter to the club?
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Do people want them to deal with touting or not? As I've said multiple times, you can't have it both ways.
 
blueparrot said:
No, because if a transfer is to a friends and family member it’s very different to somebody who’s a mate that doesn’t qualify,at the possible expense of somebody that does.
Seems wrong to me that those that qualify for a ticket can buy it and just decide who gets to benefit from it,for all we know it might be a someone that has never been or even supported City. We can argue about what City do with ticket allocation but for me fans allocating them to who they please just because they can is as bad as anything the club do.
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You’ve just described perfectly how the OSCs allocate their tickets.
 
So...someone I know who bought a ticket when his points qualified, and was then asked by his work to travel to the US, so he knew in advance he could not go. In our group was another Blue who was just outside the points, and was desperate to go. So the purchaser of the ticket gave it to him for nothing, but obviously it had his name on it, so after 5 mins on Google he found one of those 'fake ID' companies that for £20 delivered a UK Driving Licence with his photo and the name of the original purchaser.

At the game, even with all the UV torch checks -he got through without anyone given the ticket, or him, a second look. And he went on to enjoy the game, singing at the top of his voice throughout - unlike the 20 people sitting down in silence for the entire game in front of me with some weird digital tickets, right in the middle of the away end - so, in my opinion, if the original purchaser can't make it, and the ticket goes at face value or for free to another genuine Blue - who cares? If others have been trying to make a profit and purchased without any intent to go - then that is taking the piss and not massively different to the Tout Twats that have destroyed the Etihad.

But rather than chase these handful of City fans, what about the three rows of tourists in front of us? Nope, maybe they paid for some wanky City corporate package to experience the 'away end'?? Not one of them a City fan.
 
As I read this thread, I feel an enormous sense of relief. This season I never renewed as my current circumstances of living 3 hours away and being a 24/7 carer prevented any hope of the 10 game in person criteria. Although I was furious at first, I now thank the greedy policy makers at the club for breaking my City addiction, and, I can now see it for what it has become. I now follow my step 4 local non-league team, and haven't been as enthused about watching live football for a long time. No travel, no rip off prices, no parking fees, no crazy kick off times, nobody on IPADs, no half & half scarves and no feckin VAR.

Frankly, and although City will always be my team, I can no longer associate with, or recognise the club I grew to love. I have no interest if they win or lose, as there will always another game, another season, another 4 shirts to sell and another set of signings. In short, City has become nothing more than a nonstop money making machine, and at 58, I simply cannot waste anymore of my time or cash falling for it.
 
Ryan Kinlon said:
I think we need to seriously consider moving to a ballot system for away matches. I’m not saying it would fix everything, and it wouldn’t stop people passing tickets on to Blues, but it would at least prevent tickets filtering down to Matchday Members. Recently, I’ve seen most away games drop to around 10k points, which is the lowest level of demand I can remember for City away matches.


There’s also the issue with the 18–25 scheme once supporters turn 26, they’re effectively locked out of the big away games and are left with midweek trips or lower-demand fixtures. The current points system feels outdated and really needs to be reviewed.
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So what do you propose for the 18-25 gang when they turn 26? I presume now they go back in the pot with everyone else.
 
halfcenturyup said:
If it's only a Spanish law requirement, why are City following up on people who were caught out by it (which was the point of the thread if I understood it correctly). What does it matter to the club?
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Perhaps the Spanish cops complained to Uefa that the law is being continually broken.
Perhaps Uefa then told City to explain why x number of people broke the law.
Perhaps City are only doing it, not because they hate legacy/ working class fans but because Uefa insisted an explanation was needed.


Just sayin'
 
GrumpyLegacyFan said:
So...someone I know who bought a ticket when his points qualified, and was then asked by his work to travel to the US, so he knew in advance he could not go. In our group was another Blue who was just outside the points, and was desperate to go. So the purchaser of the ticket gave it to him for nothing, but obviously it had his name on it, so after 5 mins on Google he found one of those 'fake ID' companies that for £20 delivered a UK Driving Licence with his photo and the name of the original purchaser.

At the game, even with all the UV torch checks -he got through without anyone given the ticket, or him, a second look. And he went on to enjoy the game, singing at the top of his voice throughout - unlike the 20 people sitting down in silence for the entire game in front of me with some weird digital tickets, right in the middle of the away end - so, in my opinion, if the original purchaser can't make it, and the ticket goes at face value or for free to another genuine Blue - who cares? If others have been trying to make a profit and purchased without any intent to go - then that is taking the piss and not massively different to the Tout Twats that have destroyed the Etihad.

But rather than chase these handful of City fans, what about the three rows of tourists in front of us? Nope, maybe they paid for some wanky City corporate package to experience the 'away end'?? Not one of them a City fan.
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“another Blue who was just outside the points”
It didn’t go to points. And your story of fake ID sounds absolute bollocks.
 
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