The Labour Government

[WRicko]

Home? He has never lived here has he??
And I'm sure that he will absolutely love Brighton and it's 10 percent LGBQT population!
Let's hope they aren't white aswell eh? Don't want him traumatised by having to sit on his arse whilst being funded by gays and white folk do we?

The world's gone mad

I assumed had but it’s perhaps not clear but his mother has been here is a British Citizen and so is she. You assuming he hasn’t lived here.

Assuming he still holds same views on LGBT. What did he actually say on the topic ?

Funded by white and guy folk ? So because he is Muslim he is going to be on benefits ?

My point that you seem to dislike but haven’t actually responded to is this clearly people shouldn’t be locked up on fake charges for no reason and we should want them released regardless of the views they hold or even any actions they take they should face the justice systems for any of those actions or views that are illegal.

It would also seem obvious that it’s very unlikely that they can stay in the country that wrongly locked them up especially if it also tortures them. That may have happened in this case. They should then be able to claim asylum or residence of anywhere they can or are citizen of in this case here would be logical.

If you were a duel national wouldn’t you call both places home ?

 

[WRicko]

Yep. Both parties equally culpable of being tone-deaf.

Tone deaf ? How so I don’t think that’s an accurate description

 

[Blackley_Blue]

Fact Check: Foreign-born residents live in less than 50% of London social housing

Census statistics that show that foreign-born residents occupy more than three quarters of the social housing in a small area of London have been falsely suggested online to be representative of the entire UK capital city.

www.reuters.com

A more reputable source.

VERDICT
Misleading. Less than 50% of London’s social housing is occupied by people born outside of the UK....

Last time I checked, 47.6% was less than 50% no?

 

[MillionMilesAway]

The Reuters link is to February and the misleading bit that is referred to is that claims were initially made of 76%, which seems to be based on a very small geographical area. It's not difficult to read and see what it says.

Quite why MW has decided to pick it up 10 months later because somebody has made a pretty picture I'll leave to others.

 

[hilts]

There is. The problem, as always, is that certain people don’t want to get to the truth, they just want to be part of it.

I seem to remember that he was a peaceful protestor, against the dictatorship in Egypt (Mubarak), and also set fire to the HQ of the Muslim Brotherhood. Been arrested in Egypt multiple y times with many organisations calling for his release.

As far as I’m aware, he is a peaceful protestor who also hated what Israel were doing to Palestine.

Has he actually done any physical harm to anybody or is it those ‘hurty words’ that they keep talking about?

Bwaaahhhhhh!

 

[BridgyDids]

Why don't you just provide accurate information based on impartial rearch to counter his information?

Why should I?! I’m not arguing the point.

I was replying to someone who was using information that is provided by a faceless blatant racist account on X as truth, and saying to check the source.

Are you that tribal in your thinking, that you wouldn’t see that as a salient point?

 

[metalblue]

As much as anything else it’s a great example of Tory hypocrisy having given him citizenship in the first place.

Don’t be silly with your whatabouterry. He is entitled to citizenship, like I am entitled to Irish citizenship due to my mother being born there. As far as I know they don’t check my social media as part of the application process.

It’s not ideal but he will surely now be on the terror watch list. He has issued an apology. Not sure what else can be done really. The main mistake was all the public back slapping as it looks like the government of the day didn’t conduct due diligence, I’d put it in the poor optics / awkward bucket rather than incompetence.

 

[Jimmieblue]

Certainly needs to be on a terror watch list and I’m not sure an apology will be good enough to keep him out of prison. His tweets revealed too much about his mindset.

 

[bluethrunthru]

 

[I'm With Stupid]

VERDICT
Misleading. Less than 50% of London’s social housing is occupied by people born outside of the UK....

Last time I checked, 47.6% was less than 50% no?

The reality is that that's still a damning statistic if you're anti-immigration. What it shows is that nearly 50% of the people that have immigrated to the the capital are relying on some form of state aid to survive. Immigrants typically aren't entitled to state aid, but once they get Indefinite Leave to Remain, I think they are treated like anyone else. So we'd have to actually look at why.

The far right idea would be that we're letting in a bunch of spongers who take advantage the second they get their settled status. Or we're letting in waves of asylum seekers and other groups that get given social housing by default. Another idea might be that we're letting in a lot of skilled workers like nurses, who we then aren't paying enough to actually live in the capital, which is an issue that's affecting everyone who isn't a banker or Premier League footballer. But as always, any subtlety and nuance disappears as soon as the topic comes up.

 

[dickie davies]

And yet when Labour relaxed the new build housing regulations, which meant that areas such as the one I live in that had a ten year land supply it then became less that two years supply, which means developers are treating planning like the wild West, chucking in huge unsustainable planning applications which the council are powerless to stop
Meanwhile in London where affordable housing is at absolute crisis levels, the government has reduced housing targets and even worse, reduced the percentage of affordable housing on new build estates from 35% to 20%

 

[bluemcr]

Immigration won't solve birth rate problem.

 

[Vic]

The reality is that that's still a damning statistic if you're anti-immigration. What it shows is that nearly 50% of the people that have immigrated to the the capital are relying on some form of state aid to survive. Immigrants typically aren't entitled to state aid, but once they get Indefinite Leave to Remain, I think they are treated like anyone else. So we'd have to actually look at why.

The far right idea would be that we're letting in a bunch of spongers who take advantage the second they get their settled status. Or we're letting in waves of asylum seekers and other groups that get given social housing by default. Another idea might be that we're letting in a lot of skilled workers like nurses, who we then aren't paying enough to actually live in the capital, which is an issue that's affecting everyone who isn't a banker or Premier League footballer. But as always, any subtlety and nuance disappears as soon as the topic comes up.

"What it shows is that nearly 50% of the people that have immigrated to the the capital are relying on some form of state aid to survive." No it doesn't, no more than it shows that 52.4% of the UK-born population are relying on state aid. (Unless 100% of the population is relying on state aid.)

 

[Vic]

Immigration won't solve birth rate problem.

What will? Paying Brits to have babies?

 

[bluemcr]

What will? Paying Brits to have babies?

Sort the housing problem out for one

 

[WRicko]

"What it shows is that nearly 50% of the people that have immigrated to the the capital are relying on some form of state aid to survive." No it doesn't, no more than it shows that 52.4% of the UK-born population are relying on state aid. (Unless 100% of the population is relying on state aid.)

Are you saying social housing doesn’t count as state aid or have you got more detailed argument ?

 

[WRicko]

The reality is that that's still a damning statistic if you're anti-immigration. What it shows is that nearly 50% of the people that have immigrated to the the capital are relying on some form of state aid to survive. Immigrants typically aren't entitled to state aid, but once they get Indefinite Leave to Remain, I think they are treated like anyone else. So we'd have to actually look at why.

The far right idea would be that we're letting in a bunch of spongers who take advantage the second they get their settled status. Or we're letting in waves of asylum seekers and other groups that get given social housing by default. Another idea might be that we're letting in a lot of skilled workers like nurses, who we then aren't paying enough to actually live in the capital, which is an issue that's affecting everyone who isn't a banker or Premier League footballer. But as always, any subtlety and nuance disappears as soon as the topic comes up.

Isn’t the average British born person a drain on the state. Most people don’t earn enough to cover their kids schooling council services health etc

 

[Micky Blue]

What will? Paying Brits to have babies?

I want to try to be as non-political as possible here.

I think paying brits is overly-simplistic.

Me and my partner have limited ourselves to one child.
Mainly it is the cost of childcare. We’re paying >£1k a month for our child to go to nursery and the cost of another would result in our first child having a lower standard of living, which wouldn’t be fair on either children.
We earn too much to receive any benefits (well we get child tax credit but have to pay it back)

A better (more affordable and more accessible) childcare system would help a lot of parents who want more children as I know a lot of people in the same situation as myself who would like more children but it’s not possible when childcare would end up costing more than your mortgage.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

"What it shows is that nearly 50% of the people that have immigrated to the the capital are relying on some form of state aid to survive." No it doesn't, no more than it shows that 52.4% of the UK-born population are relying on state aid. (Unless 100% of the population is relying on state aid.)

Yeah, sorry, I misunderstood the stats.

Let me try again. Stats from AI, because I can't be arsed looking properly. 830,000 Londoners live in social housing. Of those, around 390,000 are foreign-born, and 440,000 UK-born. 3.7 million Londoners are foreign-born, which means just over 10% are in social housing. 5.2 million Londoners are UK-born, meaning around 8.5% are in social housing. So foreign-born people are slightly more likely to end up in social housing, and this is ignoring the fact that a lot of foreign born people are not eligible, which suggests that those who are eligible are quite a bit more likely to end up in social housing than the native population. Obviously all of that is just from a quick Google search and the AI answers, so I'm not going to put a huge amount of stock into it.

It also doesn't give any idea of who these people are. Obviously the anti-immigrant narrative is that people are coming over and immediately handed a free house. In reality, we might be talking about pensioners who came over in their early 20s and spent their whole life living and working in the UK.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Isn’t the average British born person a drain on the state. Most people don’t earn enough to cover their kids schooling council services health etc

No, it's bollocks spouted by the right wing media to get people to turn on each other. So the CEO who heads the company and pays huge taxes has contributed millions to the tax coffers, the corporation itself has contributed millions to the tax coffers, and all of the people who did the work that made the company profitable are a 'drain on the state.'