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They've never qualified for the World Cup and they went into this game top of the group. A win would have seen them through.

It's refreshing to see the lack of whinging and play acting and there's some tasty tackling as well.

Fair play to the sheep botherers. They've never stopped singing all game.

1-0 England. Decent finish.

I don't think Phil Neville got the new F.A. blueprint on passing football.

I wouldn't say Wales are dominating, it's been end to end. England had a goal wrongly disallowed as well. Could go either way. Great atmosphere!

Women's World Cup qualifier on BBC2 now. Wales need to win to qualify at England's expense. England need at least a draw to stay in contention. Record crowd at Newport for a women's international.

Our manager Jimmy Armfield replaced Brian Clough at Leeds. Clough went to Second Division Forest, a far smaller club than Bolton at the time. If only...

He literally bit someone's head off?!

City fan dropping the F-bomb on 606 just now. Got quite a reaction too. Don't think it will be in the podcast though!

I think they finished third three times with Clough in sole charge. These days that would mean automatic Champions League qualification, which for a club of Forest's size would have been pretty remarkable.

They were going nowhere when he arrived. They pipped us for promotion on goal difference in his second full season in charge. Next season they won the First Division title and the League Cup, followed by back to back European Cups and another League Cup!

You're joking right?

Why should Wigan be top? They haven't been good enough to win all four. That's not unlucky.

Yes it included Kevin Nolan and Ricardo Vaz Te, two of the players who were dismissed as not having improved under Allardyce, earlier in this thread... by you! "None of them were better players for having worked under him, none learned anything new."

Yet only seven other teams did better than the one he managed last season... You'd have thought their managers would have managed to suss out his tactics if you have.

Tal Ben Haim, Eidur Gudjohnson, Nicolas Anelka. All signed by Chelsea. I'm flattered you think that Chelsea doesn't represent a higher level than Bolton.

You're aware that Bolton finished in a UEFA Cup place in his final season right? They were in contention for a Champions League place with about four games to play. To do that whilst lowering the level of the players must take some doing.

So he got more out of them than anyone else was able to?

Bolton didn't go down with Alardyce in charge. Most of the debt was incurred after he left.