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I know what the doctrine is And it’s a one way street my way or the highway course paul had access to scripture because that’s all he knew and that’s what he based his writings on And as far as he was concerned there could be only one gospel all other were false And his was received by divine...

hence my point of people being scared to sin as the kingdom of heaven is out of reach my point in using paul was he didn't know of a jesus, so would no idea what he would of said being wealthy is not necessarily greedy and that passage doesn't mention greed in any case

parable or no parable its a threat don't do the above of course, yes its paul but the new testament never the less 3 is condemning someone who is rich that is not a sin

not once have i said they are thick, now who's twisting words i do, indoctrination as children by parents,schools and church there is a genuine fear with a lot of people of faith undoubtedly there is, that was my point and below is a snapshot the type of things i mean none of this is faith in...

my dads bigger than your dad is that where we are at, good grief i have no idea what point you are making, it in no way addresses the fact that most christian and muslim thiests are pretty much bound by codes/rules of their particular creeds to enable entry into heaven and thats a lot of people

obviously they are not thick i would suggest most theists are seeing as the threat not attaining eternal life comes with those damm precursors

you don't half jump to conclusions where does great minds = not scared

but up to first complete works who knows what we have, the copies of copies are after

mate, these are copies of copies of copies, you know that, we have no idea what an original mark would look like its the 3rd/4th century before we have complete works , plenty of time for pious fraud, mistakes etc to take place yes he does write about it, but its at odds with the rest of his...

it may not be intentional but each time you go on about not understanding the new testament because most of us are not biblical scholars so we can't have informed opinions the mask is your apparent defence of Christianity, i'll just leave that there, if i'm wrong, i'm wrong the bible is not...

see again you say "quoted" as if it actually happened, you have and furthermore no one has any idea if it really did get said think your mask is unravelling if i'm honest why can't you get past the fact the bible is just a collection of stories, the old testament barely has any credibility...

rubbish man, the be all and end all is not these books, every day life and everything that happens and has happened are the tools to decide if the god of the bible is likely or not or at the very least worth following and as stephen fry eruditely put it

No it’s simpler that I really think it is The prospect of eternal life comes at a price It may have had innocent beginnings but over time the smell of filthy lucre has shown its dirty hand

Fear is the key And there’s lot of it in there

No I think they are writing for their intended audience Lots of Roman and pagan gods to dispel

It’s my belief the other 3 are copying mark for their own reasons( the crowd they were writing for) And you know Matthew reproduces 90% of mark whilst correcting His errors Luke not so much but at leat half Is the estimate John is a different kettle fish as it’s nothing like the others no...

so this is the issue and we've been around this circle a few times now, what is fact if there is any and how do we know and i'm talking gospels now, because really they are the only ones that count

but surely you have to decide if the 4 gospels are to be taken literally, thats what was in the authors mind i'e a blow by blow account of jesus's life or its made up to suit a narrative for the early christian movement that's why personally mark is the important tome as its the first, the...

once you move away from what's literally written, you are into the world of interpretation, so its a matter of debate to what those interpretations are. you will say i'm sure consensus from scholars etc , but that don't make them right, probably/possibly but no more than that

my opinion is mark is writing post the destruction so gives jesus the extra gravitas of knowing the future as a divine being would just my opinion though but makes sense to me as the jesus of faith is a non starter in my world