hilts
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“The work of God”?
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I googled it once
As I’ve said the design of everything is just weird.
If god is that interested in humanity and he cares what we do, eat, shag, think etc. Why make a universe so big and stick us on the outside of some tiny rock that’s exposed to so much danger?
Those dangers and obstacles are what helps us to fully utilize our potentials and capabilities. Life on earth is a test, and God wants us to earn His kingdom rather than being gifted to us. It's our innate nature to appreciate hardwork, toil and struggle than "winning the lottery".
No idea. Maybe humans are not capable of taming dinosaurs.Why go through the process of dinosaurs, wipe them out, then have us evolve from apes?
Things that are precious are not found everywhere. We have to dig deep to find the treasure. Prophethood is not for everyone. Imagine telling to your family and friends that you receive revelation from God and you should be listened to, and that disobeying you is tantamount to disobeying God Himself. Not just once, day after day after day to the same audience (who will turn hostile in a few days) explaining matters of the Unseen, this is not an average person's cup of tea. It's not just a couple of people in the desert. Prophets have been sent to all nations as per Qur'an, but like in the case of Noah(as), most people didn't accept them.Why not inform us properly and not only do so through the words of a couple of people in the desert so long ago?
They'll be judged on their own sense of right and wrong. Qur'an 17:15 "We never punish until we have sent a messenger."How are tribes in the Amazon supposed to follow it when they don’t have contact with other people?
They can make their case on Judgement Day.Why make it so unbelievable and then send those that don’t believe it out of pure logic, to eternal hell fire?
Prophet's come to tell us about God and our relationship with Him and our responsibilities. Knowledge of science changes with time, unlike the metaphysical truths.Why have your only son or your prophet tell the world everything they need to know but not include 100% of science that’s proven to be correct.
Scriptures talk about them as signs of the Creator. The objective is not to illustrate and detail a scientific fact.The Abrahamic religions got how the universe came about, how man got here, gravity, the sun etc. all totally wrong.
Perhaps this verse points to the origin of universe and origin of life.
Qur'an 21:30 "Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece, then We parted them And We have made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?"
There are other linguistic nuances that interests me like for example whenever sun light is mentioned, the word used is "siraj" or "diya" meaning a source of light and whenever moonlight is mentioned it is always "nur" or "muneer" meaning simply light or reflected light.
Why make us attracted to the other sex and then say we should pluck our own eye out before we look at a woman with lust we’re not married to, as it’s the same as adultery?
Well, he also gave us the institution of marriage to cater to that, along with rules of dressing and modesty and guarding the gaze. The prophet taught that we get blessings for the intimate acts between the spouses.
Feeding the poor is a responsibility of the rich countries. The obligatory charity is specifically for this purpose.Why create a world in which babies die of starvation and of their own shit, in total misery?
Why not? God breathed His spirit into us and gave us intellect, free will and divine guidance. We don't have to act like the primates.Why have us evolve from a particularly violent group of primates?
Well, existence is better than non-existence.Why even have the earth in the first place?
Humans don't value or appreciate something until they know what it is like to lose it.Why have mental health and disabilities in the first place?
1. It is supposed to be violent and disgusting, the very thought of it works as deterrent for most people. India hanged 4 rapists a few days back. America hanged Saddam. The British did it. I find hanging as equally violent and disgusting like beheading.Why is the violent and disgusting execution of a human being in the desert the best way to teach the world morality?
2. To show the severity of the crime.
3. The person gets absolved of the sin and won't get punished in the Hereafter.
Have you heard of the conquest of Mecca, when not a drop of blood was shed and the opposition surrendered without a fight. The "war lord" and his followers could have taken full revenge on their enemies for 15 years of oppression and driving them out from their homes to Medina. Instead, the prophet forgave them all and asked the followers to do the same. Many accepted the faith and they were welcomed wholeheartedly. That is the height of forgiveness. But, now this is the 'parting of the sea' moment and the take over of the Temple signalled the proofs of prophethood have been established. There is no more questioning after this and God's judgement will be meted out. It's the same what happened to the Israelites who worshipped the golden calf in Moses'(as) absence. They've no excuses after witnessing the sea parting moment.Why have a war lord paedophile prophet the same?
Do you know the prophet first married at the age of 25, a twice divorced women who was 15 years older to him? They lived together for 25 years, and he did not marry anyone during the time. He married many after that, some for social and political reasons too. The society didn't have issues with age differences at the time. Puberty was considered the minimum age of marriage consummation. Until the 19th century, this was the same throughout the world.
They've also given meaning and hope to the lives of millions of others and continue to do so.I’ve read large parts of the bible and Koran and I’m sorry mate, within a few pages you can tell it’s the imagination of an ancient idiot.
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Are you taking the piss?
Are you taking the piss?
Certainly not. Just sharing what I believe in, and I'm pretty sure not a single person here would agree with anything what I wrote.
All these books are just fairy tails that were written in times when they could scare people into believing them.
Enlightenment happened 300 years ago yet people are still following these religions and believing in these books in 2020.
Beowulf, King Arthur, Robin Hood... all as credibly reliable as fact as any religion yet we all know they’re just legends.
The reactions to the prophets show that recipients were largely hostile and anything but submissive to the message. You could make a case for David (as) or Solomon(as) as they had authority as well so the people had a duty to listen and obey, but how did Jesus(as) went about scaring people (rabbis,scribes,pharisees) into submission ?
Does enlightenment mean we become super skeptical of all the historical records and deny even the existence of the founder of a major religion ?
roy.or.r
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I will believe in God if our ban gets overturned and then UEFA and FA relegates the rags and dippers from the Cl and Pl for cheating.
sounds similar to that other religion, so i've heard, discovering the book of Playboy at puberty.You should give 'The Book of Mormon' a try, you won't last two minutes
Those dangers and obstacles are what helps us to fully utilize our potentials and capabilities. Life on earth is a test, and God wants us to earn His kingdom rather than being gifted to us. It's our innate nature to appreciate hardwork, toil and struggle than "winning the lottery".
Obstacles and an opportunity to overcome hardship is one thing. Being born into a famine or the middle of a war and dying in your infancy isn’t a test, it’s unnecessary cruelty. By your replies I’m presuming you are a Muslim, it seems to me that god enjoys testing Muslims very hard. He tests them harder than non-Muslims in the west. In Syria, in Iraq, in Kashmir, in China, in Palestine.
I’m not buying the fact it’s a test, not when toddlers are being blown up, starving to death or being killed by a terrible disease.
If I was god I would never create such a world.
No idea. Maybe humans are not capable of taming dinosaurs.
What’s the point in dinosaurs though? Why have them if you’re going to have them for billions of years to just get rid of them and give the world to those that are supposedly your children.
Things that are precious are not found everywhere. We have to dig deep to find the treasure. Prophethood is not for everyone. Imagine telling to your family and friends that you receive revelation from God and you should be listened to, and that disobeying you is tantamount to disobeying God Himself. Not just once, day after day after day to the same audience (who will turn hostile in a few days) explaining matters of the Unseen, this is not an average person's cup of tea. It's not just a couple of people in the desert. Prophets have been sent to all nations as per Qur'an, but like in the case of Noah(as), most people didn't accept them.
The message is weak though, who are we supposed to believe? How do I know that Muhammad is right and Jesus isn’t? They both make extraordinary claims but the only evidence I have is the book. Should I believe Joseph Smith? He made the same claims after all.
They'll be judged on their own sense of right and wrong. Qur'an 17:15 "We never punish until we have sent a messenger."
At least that’s something. Being punished for being a contrarian isn’t moral though. Questioning someone claiming divinity is logical, not punishable in my view.
They can make their case on Judgement Day.
If it’s true I’ve no chance - “sorry God I thought Islam was a load of nonsense that didn’t help me understand the world nor the universe and the story of Muhammad going to the moon on a unicorn made me laugh. Oh and maybe don’t be so antisemitic in the bloody first chapter. Please show me mercy though”
Prophet's come to tell us about God and our relationship with Him and our responsibilities. Knowledge of science changes with time, unlike the metaphysical truths.
Not a word on the Big Bang, evolution, gravity, black holes, microorganisms, dinosaurs etc. etc.
Instead, in one of only a few messages from god over the years, let’s dwell on cattle ownership and what to do in a village dispute.
Scriptures talk about them as signs of the Creator. The objective is not to illustrate and detail a scientific fact.
What signs?
Perhaps this verse points to the origin of universe and origin of life.
Qur'an 21:30 "Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece, then We parted them And We have made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?"
That’s not true though is it, the Big Bang was the beginning of the universe and the earth was created via and exploding star.
There are other linguistic nuances that interests me like for example whenever sun light is mentioned, the word used is "siraj" or "diya" meaning a source of light and whenever moonlight is mentioned it is always "nur" or "muneer" meaning simply light or reflected light.
That’s not evidence anyone penning the Quran knew anything scientific. They obviously and understandably only knew as much as any other advanced primate at that time.
Well, he also gave us the institution of marriage to cater to that, along with rules of dressing and modesty and guarding the gaze. The prophet taught that we get blessings for the intimate acts between the spouses.
Being married to someone is incredibly innocuous, why does the supreme leader of the universe care?
Feeding the poor is a responsibility of the rich countries. The obligatory charity is specifically for this purpose.
Absolutely true but why should richer humans pick up the shoddy work god has done? Do a better job in the first place and everyone can start on a level playing field to prove themselves.
Why not? God breathed His spirit into us and gave us intellect, free will and divine guidance. We don't have to act like the primates.
Well humans evolved from Chimpanzees and Bonobos and it’s extremely evident in our behaviour. The act of war over resources can be seen in chimpanzees and they treat each other, in groups, similarly to how humans on every single continent do. We are related to them and it shows.
It’s innate in us and there’s no getting away from that.
If gods plan was to evolve us from a particular species, he chose a very violent one and then wonders why humans are like that.
Well, existence is better than non-existence.
It is but he could have made a much fairer and better existence for everyone and not gone down the test route. Of putting us through a terrifying and cruel assault course just to prove we can spend the rest of eternity worshipping him.
Humans don't value or appreciate something until they know what it is like to lose it.
That is true in a lot of ways but again, a baby doesn’t know what it’s lost and yet they’re punished.
1. It is supposed to be violent and disgusting, the very thought of it works as deterrent for most people. India hanged 4 rapists a few days back. America hanged Saddam. The British did it. I find hanging as equally violent and disgusting like beheading.
2. To show the severity of the crime.
3. The person gets absolved of the sin and won't get punished in the Hereafter.
I’m not against capital punishment as an idea. I’m against the idea of using it to kill an innocent person by torturing them, not just hanging or shooting them to kill quickly, but to crucify them to teach the world a lesson. It’s not moral teaching, it’s barbarism.
Have you heard of the conquest of Mecca, when not a drop of blood was shed and the opposition surrendered without a fight. The "war lord" and his followers could have taken full revenge on their enemies for 15 years of oppression and driving them out from their homes to Medina. Instead, the prophet forgave them all and asked the followers to do the same. Many accepted the faith and they were welcomed wholeheartedly. That is the height of forgiveness. But, now this is the 'parting of the sea' moment and the take over of the Temple signalled the proofs of prophethood have been established. There is no more questioning after this and God's judgement will be meted out. It's the same what happened to the Israelites who worshipped the golden calf in Moses'(as) absence. They've no excuses after witnessing the sea parting moment.
That’s great but Muhammad did also kill a lot of people. I don’t blame him for this, that’s what just happened then, I blame him for making up he spoke to an angel and he had divine instruction and I blame him for child fucking.
Do you know the prophet first married at the age of 25, a twice divorced women who was 15 years older to him? They lived together for 25 years, and he did not marry anyone during the time. He married many after that, some for social and political reasons too. The society didn't have issues with age differences at the time. Puberty was considered the minimum age of marriage consummation. Until the 19th century, this was the same throughout the world.
He was also married Aisha, who was aged 6 when she was given to him and aged 9/10 when she lived with him.
Therefore, he’s a fucking nonce.
They've also given meaning and hope to the lives of millions of others and continue to do so.
No doubt they do but they also halt progress and have resulted in an unthinkable amount of pain, suffering and death, as they still do to this day.
They’re also totally false and therefore not worth it.
I am an atheist and I’m totally content with life and I take pride that my moral compass is formed by me and not big brother.
Apologies for lack of sources related to religious text, I’ve got some bits to do before I finish work for the day and go on my one walk to exercise as instructed.
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Certainly not. Just sharing what I believe in, and I'm pretty sure not a single person here would agree with anything what I wrote.
some staggering responses in there i must say,every now and then blind faith saddens me