10 | Jack Grealish - 2021/22 Performances

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lasereyes said:
You're still missing my point. I haven't reached any conclusions on Grealish. My comments are based on the factual statement that he has only played in one position (Anfield aside); and the fairly indisputable observation that Foden is better in that particular position. And that's based on numerous games for Foden and the whole season to date for Grealish (not one game as you incorrectly say).

As for your second paragraph, it's great you have a hotline into Pep's mind and reasoning. Back in the real world, it's just your opinion - as was mine. That said, I have seen almost nobody else who thinks Foden was "great" against Chelsea. The team was great, but that doesn't mean every single player had a barnstormer.

Finally, of course it's too early to tell where else Grealish can excel. That was my whole point. To be a consistent part of our first choice team, he is going to have to show he can play elsewhere. That's a "not observed" as of now as he has not been tried anywhere else (except false 9 at Anfield). Again, my opinion. You are perfectly entitled to yours - that's why we debate.
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You are comparing individual performances without taking into account team performances. The team comes first, though. I didn't write that Foden was great at Chelsea, but that he did a great job there - for the team! Foden is more versatile than Grealish and can do a great job for the team in different positions. Maybe Grealish can as well, time will tell. The 'fairly indisputable observation' that Foden is better than Grealish on the left is a bit problematic. Grealish had games for Villa which are better than anything Foden has showed so far, e.g. Villa's demolition of Liverpool (7:2!), when Grealish was directly involved in 4-5 goals. Grealish scored a stunner at Old Trafford, etc. Against teams which want to give us a game and leave free spaces to exploit Foden is probably the better option. But against teams which prefer to sit deep it's not clear yet whether Grealish or Foden will offer more. They play different roles on the left: Foden is more direct and is more of a forward, whereas Grealish is more of a playmaker.
 
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domalino said:
The incredible irony of you posting this after being camped in the Sterling thread for the past 18 months is fucking hilarious.

Anyway this forum isn't a supportive fanbase, anyone who's been on here 5 minutes should know that, and you're one of them. This forum wanted Gundogan sold until his 5th season. They want Sterling "fucked off". Jesus. Stones. Rodri. Danilo. Bravo. Mangala. Serious amounts of people wanted Guardiola sacked in January 2017 and September 2020.

This place fucking hates the players and manager, and despises the upper management of the club excluding Khaldoon.
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Those sweeping generalisations are as accurate as saying the forum is stuffed with seat-sniffing fan-boys who defend everything the club ever does.
 
alexmcity said:
You are comparing individual performances without taking into account team performances. The team comes first, though. I didn't write that Foden was great at Chelsea, but that he did a great job there - for the team! Foden is more versatile than Grealish and can do a great job for the team in different positions. Maybe Grealish can as well, time will tell. The 'fairly indisputable observation' that Foden is better than Grealish on the left is a bit problematic. Grealish had games for Villa which are better than anything Foden has showed so far, e.g. Villa's demolition of Liverpool (7:2!), when Grealish was directly involved in 4-5 goals. Grealish scored a stunner at Old Trafford, etc. Against teams which want to give us a game and leave free spaces to exploit Foden is probably the better option. But against teams which prefer to sit deep it's not clear yet whether Grealish or Foden will offer more. They play different roles on the left: Foden is more direct and is more of a forward, whereas Grealish is more of a playmaker.
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Comparing Villa vs Liverpool to City vs Liverpool is not a valid comparison. Different teams, different setups, completely different approach by Liverpool. If you think Grealish is as good as Foden as a footballer, we will simply have to agree to disagree.
 
lasereyes said:
Comparing Villa vs Liverpool to City vs Liverpool is not a valid comparison. Different teams, different setups, completely different approach by Liverpool. If you think Grealish is as good as Foden as a footballer, we will simply have to agree to disagree.
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We are talking about their performances on the left. Foden is more talented and can be the best in the world, imo, he can play with success across 5 positions. Whether Foden is a better option on the left against packed defences, which we face most of the time in the PL, is something we don't know yet. But note that even if Foden is better than Grealish on the left, it might be better for the team to play them both with Grealish on the left and Foden more centrally. It's a nice conundrum to have.
 
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sir baconface said:
Those sweeping generalisations are as accurate as saying the forum is stuffed with seat-sniffing fan-boys who defend everything the club ever does.
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I'm surprised he kept the first part of the post up after I pointed out to him I have done nothing but defend Sterling for the past 18 months. I've been a bit harsher recently but overall he's had my support.
Not sure Dom is one for accepting he's got something wrong though.. :-)
 
Phil1 said:
I'm surprised he kept the first part of the post up after I pointed out to him I have done nothing but defend Sterling for the past 18 months. I've been a bit harsher recently but overall he's had my support.
Not sure Dom is one for accepting he's got something wrong though.. :-)
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Ha, yes. You could be onto something there. :)
 
alexmcity said:
You are comparing individual performances without taking into account team performances. The team comes first, though. I didn't write that Foden was great at Chelsea, but that he did a great job there - for the team! Foden is more versatile than Grealish and can do a great job for the team in different positions. Maybe Grealish can as well, time will tell. The 'fairly indisputable observation' that Foden is better than Grealish on the left is a bit problematic. Grealish had games for Villa which are better than anything Foden has showed so far, e.g. Villa's demolition of Liverpool (7:2!), when Grealish was directly involved in 4-5 goals. Grealish scored a stunner at Old Trafford, etc. Against teams which want to give us a game and leave free spaces to exploit Foden is probably the better option. But against teams which prefer to sit deep it's not clear yet whether Grealish or Foden will offer more. They play different roles on the left: Foden is more direct and is more of a forward, whereas Grealish is more of a playmaker.
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I bet Foden already isn’t far off Grealish for career goals. He’ll score more, he’ll assist more, he’ll work harder for the team.

Not a dig at Grealish but trying to compare Grealish to Foden won’t do Jack any favours. Imagine Foden spending 3 years in the Championship. Just would not happen because he’s far too good.
 
lasereyes said:
I think they haven't read the posts tbh. Majority of posts are not bashing Grealish at all. They are making observations based on his first few games as to how he can be most useful to the team. All opinions. If people are not interested in different opinions, beats me why they are on a public forum
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Exactly.....I've not criticised any particular performance of Jack, I'm very happy to let him grow with us, but obviously it goes without saying he has to deliver the goods at some point
 
Comparing Jack to Foden is never a good idea one is a very talented player and the other is a generational talent who will be a ballon d'or contender soon. even KDB sometimes pales in comparison to the impact of Foden. So its best to compare Jack to Bernardo or Gundo since those are the ones he will be competing with to keep out of the team.
 
Grealish - Foden could be the new player comparison debate following on from Fernandinho - Rodri it seems.

To get ahead of the curve, just like with all other similar discussions, they're both superb talents who both provide their own unique skillsets.
 
radcliffe1309 said:
Something a bit more than drawing fouls :)
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So you are just ignoring his superb ball retention,his intricate and key passes,his ability to bring others into play,his drives into the box and his (currently underused) ability at set pieces?

As for only drawing fouls,even if that were true,which it very much isn't..... then that ability in itself should speak volumes about his quality.
 
lasereyes said:
Comparing Villa vs Liverpool to City vs Liverpool is not a valid comparison. Different teams, different setups, completely different approach by Liverpool. If you think Grealish is as good as Foden as a footballer, we will simply have to agree to disagree.
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Grealish has done ok so far and we will wait and see how he progresses in the future but on the evidence of Sunday Phil is miles ahead as things stand. I don't think anybody can dispute that based on evidence.
 
FantasyIreland said:
So you are just ignoring his superb ball retention,his intricate and key passes,his ability to bring others into play,his drives into the box and his (currently underused) ability at set pieces?

As for only drawing fouls,even if that were true,which it very much isn't..... then that ability in itself should speak volumes about his quality.
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Not at all
I appreciate those attributes, he's very strong on the ball for a start, but people have described him as going to be a superstar and legend, and some think he already was before joining us ???
I'm having trouble trying to buy into that to be honest....Will he drive into the box like Yaya and crash one in the top corner regularly....I can't see it at the moment.
Will he open up defenses regularly with key passes like David...I can't see that either
It's true I didn't want him as a signing from the start but as I've said many time now I genuinely hope hand on heart that he proves me wrong and he becomes a legend....honest !
I'm prepared to give Jack time that's only fair, and I hope Pep will use him in the right way to develop those attributes you describe .
Let's see ....over to you Jack
 
radcliffe1309 said:
Not at all
I appreciate those attributes, he's very strong on the ball for a start, but people have described him as going to be a superstar and legend, and some think he already was before joining us ???
I'm having trouble trying to buy into that to be honest....Will he drive into the box like Yaya and crash one in the top corner regularly....I can't see it at the moment.
Will he open up defenses regularly with key passes like David...I can't see that either
It's true I didn't want him as a signing from the start but as I've said many time now I genuinely hope hand on heart that he proves me wrong and he becomes a legend....honest !
I'm prepared to give Jack time that's only fair, and I hope Pep will use him in the right way to develop those attributes you describe .
Let's see ....over to you Jack
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He'll never be Yaya or David,his game is different and neither was he bought to impersonate or emulate them.I also doubt he will become a legend,but i have every faith he will be a success as,despite not yet blowing us away......he has shown great promise,he improves our first 11,and allows others to play better too.

Put the price tag aside,remove the preconception,and allow him to blossom.
 
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