10 | Jack Grealish - 2024/25

[Luddite_Blue]

You’re nuts, he’s scored 12 league goals in 4 seasons, in the front 3 of the best team in the league, that’s just not good enough is it?

As many assists as well btw. There was a time when you didn’t mind the lack of output for the control and chance creation but that’s slowly petered out as well.

The transfer has been a failure. I really like him, and wanted him to be brilliant, but since the treble year he’s not even half the player.

Perhaps he should have been in midfield from the go but those days are long gone now.

It's a team sport and City win more when Grealish plays and lose more when he doesn't.

Grealish has started 1 PL defeat in the last 2 seasons.

If your claim is that Grealish made no contribution to the successes then can you explain why the CL wasn't won before he signed when there wasn't a player making no contribution in the team, why the CL was won when he signed with a player making no contribution hindering things and when we will next win the CL now it's quite likely Grealish will be leaving and thus not hindering things in the future?

 

[It'sBlue93:20]

Forever the opinion divider is Jack.

While he’s not been at his best. He like has been pointed out many times wasnt just signed for goalscoring contributions but for many other things. His ability in possession, the pausa, foul-winning, carrying, security on the ball - being an outlet.

That being said, I think we get Jack playing at full confidence when given license to express himself. He’s not the type of player I want isolated out wide and high on the touch line like I would a Doku, Savinho, Sterling.

He’s much better as an interior for me. His skillset is better suited that way - therefore if he stays at City (big if) I’d like to see him used in the #10 or as an #8. Does seem as though we may be coming to an end. I still feel as though he has more to give though but we’ve said this many times over the seasons.

It’s a difficult one but being on the wages he is on added to the fact that he can be a bit injury prone - I think he may get a move away. One thing that does play in his favour though is he gives us a HG spot.

 

[thegoatsthegoat]

You’re nuts, he’s scored 12 league goals in 4 seasons, in the front 3 of the best team in the league, that’s just not good enough is it?

As many assists as well btw. There was a time when you didn’t mind the lack of output for the control and chance creation but that’s slowly petered out as well.

The transfer has been a failure. I really like him, and wanted him to be brilliant, but since the treble year he’s not even half the player.

Perhaps he should have been in midfield from the go but those days are long gone now.

Impossible to be a failure when he was an integral part of our best ever season. Created the most chances in the CL that season too for the number shaggers.

I wouldn't call it a success either, after the treble his form dipped and then this season injuries have hampered him. I am annoyed that most times he has played this season he has looked good, lively and reliable. Much needed energy too that we seem to prefer not to play with. He should have been in the middle more. Pep hasn't trusted him clearly, as every time he has played he has delivered something and as another poster rightly pointed out, when he starts we tend not to lose. He will play, maybe assist, or grab a goal at Leicester which should please the number shaggers and then he is dropped for the next two games. It is clearly something else which Pep doesn't like with Jack because it can't be based on performances. Probably time to go.

 

[Bill Walker]

Forever the opinion divider is Jack.

While he’s not been at his best. He like has been pointed out many times wasnt just signed for goalscoring contributions but for many other things. His ability in possession, the pausa, foul-winning, carrying, security on the ball - being an outlet.

That being said, I think we get Jack playing at full confidence when given license to express himself. He’s not the type of player I want isolated out wide and high on the touch line like I would a Doku, Savinho, Sterling.

He’s much better as an interior for me. His skillset is better suited that way - therefore if he stays at City (big if) I’d like to see him used in the #10 or as an #8. Does seem as though we may be coming to an end. I still feel as though he has more to give though but we’ve said this many times over the seasons.

It’s a difficult one but being on the wages he is on added to the fact that he can be a bit injury prone - I think he may get a move away. One thing that does play in his favour though is he gives us a HG spot.

When we signed him I thought, yes he's great, another future legend like David Silva, Aguero, Kompany , KDB etc.
Sadly he has been nowhere near those signings.
So for me, not a great signing.
I know some city fans love him but I don't rate him that highly.

 

[Damanino]

would be incredibly hard to ask others to play off their ass for 3rd or half the salary that he is sitting on the bench most of the season. once KDB goes Grealish is 2nd highest players behind Haaland. the fact he cannot be a regular starter as Dias, Gvardiol, Haaland etc says it all.

and its not like he has competition on the wing like Salah or Raphinha delivering a prime season. its Doku, Savinho with little end product.
or centrally an old often not fit KDb and a way out of form Foden.

 

[KDBPLGOAT]

Alongside Rico Lewis, the worst player in the team this season. Rico was from the youth team and is on 1/10 of the salary. For me Jacks been a disgrace for two years now, also The reason he deserves more hate than he gets (I don’t feel good saying that btw) is because there’s people blaming Pep and his football philosophy for how shit this lad has been. When idiots say “pep ruined football” “pep kills individual talent” they always cite Jack as an example of why they believe that. Grealish was a big fish in a small pond and came to City and realised, I’m not technically or statistically as good as these Actual world class players. Except for those 4 months of good form he had from Feb-May 2023. 4 months in 4 years. Peps biggest big money flop. When including time spent, opportunity given and cost of player and damage to coaching reputation.

 

[doobyedoobye]

From a footballing perspective it's hard to argue that he's been worth the financial investment..

 

[Crooked_rain]

From a footballing perspective it's hard to argue that he's been worth the financial investment..

Absolutely

But then I don't think his attributes suit being stuck out on the left, so has he been given a proper chance to show he was worth it?

Then again, maybe Pep has a good look at him in training and really doesn't fancy him more central, so you can say it was up to Jack to show more.

Who knows? Wherever he ends up, I still believe he will play his best football when he's not stuck out wide getting chalk on his boots.

 

[Txiki Txiki Bang Bang]

Almost reaching 450 pages on this godforsaken thread.

Can't wait for Jack Grealish to leave the club, the sooner the better so i don't need to read a complete brain dead takes and nonsense speculations by some poster on this thread anymore.

Oops looks like the fishing for likes comment backfired on this one.

 

[B\connellblue]

What value do you put on winning the treble and 4 titles in a row for the first time in the history of English football?

History to me shows that for English clubs winning the CL that it is usually the end of a process, a few years in the making, where a team that has won league titles evolves, develops and adapts to win the CL and the English sides that won European cups before that were usually very experienced teams; English clubs that have won the CL/EC have by and large been much more based on experience than youth and energy.

But never mind the 9 PL defeats and 5 CL defeats this season. lets go on incessantly about how bad things were during Grealish's first 3 seasons winning 3 PLs and the CL.

When do you think we'll next win the CL? And if it takes a few years, do you think in the meantime you'll still be going on about how bad things were in Grealish's first 3 seasons?

We'd have won another CL if Jack had been capable of taking one of the 3 one on ones he had with Courtois before the late semi final collapse.
3 good months in his time here. He's failed.

 

[Damanino]

Sun reports he had another great night in London the weekend. he was not thirsty after it to put it mildly.
at least he is having fun.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

Alongside Rico Lewis, the worst player in the team this season. Rico was from the youth team and is on 1/10 of the salary. For me Jacks been a disgrace for two years now, also The reason he deserves more hate than he gets (I don’t feel good saying that btw) is because there’s people blaming Pep and his football philosophy for how shit this lad has been. When idiots say “pep ruined football” “pep kills individual talent” they always cite Jack as an example of why they believe that. Grealish was a big fish in a small pond and came to City and realised, I’m not technically or statistically as good as these Actual world class players. Except for those 4 months of good form he had from Feb-May 2023. 4 months in 4 years. Peps biggest big money flop. When including time spent, opportunity given and cost of player and damage to coaching reputation.

I'd say Grealish being a disgrace is a bit strong, disappointing I'll agree. No City player deserves hate although some of his fanboys say those who criticise him are haters. I'm not, I've always wanted him to play well. When he came on as a sub last game his song was sang and I joined in to help encourage him to play well.

But I think his number is almost up here and Jack only has himself to blame. I wish him well wherever he goes.

 

[thegoatsthegoat]

Alongside Rico Lewis, the worst player in the team this season. Rico was from the youth team and is on 1/10 of the salary. For me Jacks been a disgrace for two years now, also The reason he deserves more hate than he gets (I don’t feel good saying that btw) is because there’s people blaming Pep and his football philosophy for how shit this lad has been. When idiots say “pep ruined football” “pep kills individual talent” they always cite Jack as an example of why they believe that. Grealish was a big fish in a small pond and came to City and realised, I’m not technically or statistically as good as these Actual world class players. Except for those 4 months of good form he had from Feb-May 2023. 4 months in 4 years. Peps biggest big money flop. When including time spent, opportunity given and cost of player and damage to coaching reputation.

Worst player in the team? Have you watched City much this season. Jack starts and rarely City lose. He plays well in the cup games which is where he gets his limited chance and then he is dropped for the next 5. He isn't given a consistent run of games which considering the minutes the likes of Foden, Bernardo and Kev have got this season then it shows it isn't based on football but clearly a personal issue Pep has with Jack.

If people blame Pep for his lack of form shouldn't fill you with hate for Grealish. It shows a lack of braincells which your whole post shows anyway. When given minutes a lot of this season, he has played well. Pep doesn't like him so doesn't play him and he will no doubt leave in the summer.

 

[thegoatsthegoat]

I'd say Grealish being a disgrace is a bit strong, disappointing I'll agree. No City player deserves hate although some of his fanboys say those who criticise him are haters. I'm not, I've always wanted him to play well. When he came on as a sub last game his song was sang and I joined in to help encourage him to play well.

But I think his number is almost up here and Jack only has himself to blame. I wish him well wherever he goes.

The season after the treble he was rarely fit, Doku came in and everyone loved this new exciting winger (who has proved to be just as inconsistent) It should have been the season Jack kicked on after a fantastic 2023 but he didn't. He then worked his bollocks off this summer, training during the summer in his own time and then came back, injured a lot again and was unreliable. As pointed out I think he has played well when given the chance. He has had an impact and should have been given more minutes over the last few months. Injuries, form, confidence are the reasons behind it going downhill but I wouldn't say he can only blame himself etc. It would suggest a lack of commitment when his performance have been more committed than a few of the favourites when given the chance

 

[thegoatsthegoat]

We'd have won another CL if Jack had been capable of taking one of the 3 one on ones he had with Courtois before the late semi final collapse.
3 good months in his time here. He's failed.

He had two chances, one he went past the defender and Courtois made an amazing save and the second cleared off the line. Liverpool waited in the final so I wouldn't be so confident to say we would have won it. We lost that Madrid game in the first leg, we battered them and conceded 3 goals. Stupid penalties given away in both legs, Fernandinho getting blitzed for a goal but you blame Jack for missing two chances he solely created himself. Good one

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

The season after the treble he was rarely fit, Doku came in and everyone loved this new exciting winger (who has proved to be just as inconsistent) It should have been the season Jack kicked on after a fantastic 2023 but he didn't. He then worked his bollocks off this summer, training during the summer in his own time and then came back, injured a lot again and was unreliable. As pointed out I think he has played well when given the chance. He has had an impact and should have been given more minutes over the last few months. Injuries, form, confidence are the reasons behind it going downhill but I wouldn't say he can only blame himself etc. It would suggest a lack of commitment when his performance have been more committed than a few of the favourites when given the chance

What about him being seen out drinking several times this season, so much for getting himself fit and in shape last summer? He can only blame himself for that and he's barely looked in shape this season. No wonder Pep rarely starts him and is prepared to sell him this summer.

 

[thegoatsthegoat]

What about him being seen out drinking several times this season, so much for getting himself fit and in shape last summer? He can only blame himself for that and he's barely looked in shape this season. No wonder Pep rarely starts him and is prepared to sell him this summer.

He has provided more energy to our team when playing than the likes of Bernardo, Kev, Gundog etc. It can't be footballing reasons when he does alright when given an embarrassing cameo. He has looked better than a few of the regulars who get undying loyalty and minutes. If you don't think he is fit then I don't know what to suggest and him getting drunk at a working mans club a week before his next game doesn't overly bother me. I said at the time I don't blame him as it wouldn't matter what happens on the pitch, he won't ever be given or trusted with a run of games again

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

He has provided more energy to our team when playing than the likes of Bernardo, Kev, Gundog etc. It can't be footballing reasons when he does alright when given an embarrassing cameo. He has looked better than a few of the regulars who get undying loyalty and minutes. If you don't think he is fit then I don't know what to suggest and him getting drunk at a working mans club a week before his next game doesn't overly bother me. I said at the time I don't blame him as it wouldn't matter what happens on the pitch, he won't ever be given or trusted with a run of games again

Kev and Gundo are past their best and Bernardo has run himself into the ground, so yeah Grealish has looked fitter but he's not as fit as he should be nor is as disciplined as he should be hence being seen out on the lash worse for wear. Do you think Pep tells him to go out and get shit faced?

It may not overly bother you but he's not starting regular games for a reason and it's glaringly obvious he's pissed Pep off. Pep has said more than once he's not been fit to play, he's also said Jack needs to improve on scoring and assists. Jack has admitted more than once he's not playing his best. Alcohol problem perhaps?

The club should have seen the warning signs of his partying playboy lifestyle at Villa after he drove his Range Rover into a wall whilst drunk but we were hell bent on triggering his 100m buy out clause. 4 years on and we'll be lucky to get 20m for him, that's if a club win satisfy his high weekly wage demands.

There'll come a day when Grealish has retired when he realises he threw his career away at City and he only has himself to blame like I said earlier.

 

[thegoatsthegoat]

Kev and Gundo are past their best and Bernardo has run himself into the ground so yeah Grealish has looked fitter but he's not as fit as he should be nor is as disciplined as he should be hence being seen out on the lash worse for wear. Do you think Pep tells him to go out and get shit faced?

It may not overly bother you but he's not starting regular games for a reason and it's glaringly obvious he's pissed Pep off. Pep has said more than once he's not been fit to play, he's also said Jack needs to improve on scoring and assists. Jack has admitted more than once he's not playing his best. Alcohol problem perhaps?

The club should have seen the warning signs of his partying playboy lifestyle at Villa after he drove his Range Rover into a wall whilst drunk but we were hell bent on triggering his 100m buy out clause. 4 years on and we'll be lucky to get 20m for him, that's if a club win satisfy his high weekly wage demands.

There'll come a day when Grealish has retired when he realises he threw his career away at City and he only has himself to blame like I said earlier.

No, the players get time off and in that time off can do whatever they want.

If it is as extreme as alcohol problems which you are suggesting, he wouldn't be near the squad. Where is Peps man management? Fodens mental health and personal issues have been apparent, his form being shocking yet his manager sticks by him? Kyle Walker is an absolute disgrace off the pitch, yet it didn't stop him performing for us and getting selected and even ending up as captain. I think you are mostly talking bollocks to be honest and if he got the same kind of loyalty and support other players have got, things may be different. Who knows. The season he was picked and ever present in the crunch of it resulted in our best ever. He has slid since for reasons already stated and it is a shame there are dick head blues waiting in the wings to have a pop at him.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

No, the players get time off and in that time off can do whatever they want.

If it is as extreme as alcohol problems which you are suggesting, he wouldn't be near the squad. Where is Peps man management? Fodens mental health and personal issues have been apparent, his form being shocking yet his manager sticks by him? Kyle Walker is an absolute disgrace off the pitch, yet it didn't stop him performing for us and getting selected and even ending up as captain. I think you are mostly talking bollocks to be honest and if he got the same kind of loyalty and support other players have got, things may be different. Who knows. The season he was picked and ever present in the crunch of it resulted in our best ever. He has slid since for reasons already stated and it is a shame there are dick head blues waiting in the wings to have a pop at him.

Plonkers like you think he goes out of a night supping cups of tea. I can't be arsed arguing the toss with you anymore tbh.