11 | Jeremy Doku - 2024/25

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Tomblue said:
Adama Traore V2. Good player off the bench and that’s about it.
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I guess people will never get tired of this comparison, no matter how worn out or flawed it might be. Doku and Traore have completely different games.

At least that statement its a clear revelation of the level of a person's football knowledge
 
Dobsy said:
You said "it doesn't take 100 games after playing football for 20 years to learn an end product". You're writing him off.

I can certainly compare players at other clubs and will continue to.

Also you said he just kicked the ball into players legs. Who found Gundogan in the box for the penalty?
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No I didn't I said he did it several times, let's leave it as you're obviously a bit dim, I've already explained why comparing a player at Le Havre is different to City. You didn't get that either.
 
hilts said:
No I didn't I said he did it several times, let's leave it as you're obviously a bit dim, I've already explained why comparing a player at Le Havre is different to City. You didn't get that either.
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I think we can leave it as you've embarrassed yourself enough.
 
Belgian Flash said:
I guess people will never get tired of this comparison, no matter how worn out or flawed it might be. Doku and Traore have completely different games.

At least that statement its a clear revelation of the level of a person's football knowledge
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Go on then Pep, tell me how they have completely different games? Enlighten a poor misinformed football novice like myself with your extensive experience and knowledge in this matter?
 
Tomblue said:
Adama Traore V2. Good player off the bench and that’s about it.
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Complete bollocks, watch the game again from yesterday. I dont think I saw Traore control the ball once and im sure he ran it off the pitch at one point. Traore is a bodybuilder playing football.

Doku is very strong, fast over 10yrds and his control of the ball is massively underrated, hes no Mahrez but its very rarely wrong.
 
Tomblue said:
Go on then Pep, tell me how they have completely different games? Enlighten a poor misinformed football novice like myself with your extensive experience and knowledge in this matter?
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It will be lost on you but ok - Doku has much better technique, ball control and finesse than Traore, hes more methodical and reactive to the defense, a start stop player who uses acceleration not pace. Traore is a route one, kick and run pace demon with poor touch who can't progress or recycle the ball to save his life. Its apples and oranges, but sure keep using it, its an incisively original comparison lol
 
Traore went through a really good spell at Wolves. Fast, direct, and scored some good goals. He murdered Mendy that night. David White had no skill, but he was fast as fuck, direct, and could cross the ball. Peter Beagrie had pace, skill, and could cross the ball. All wingers are different.
 
If he stays, and we dont get say the likes of Rodrygo, then I feel like Pep shouldn't keep him as a wide winger.

Have him do exactly the same as Marmoush, on the left, Doku simply struggles with the final ball, but let him play more centrally and go for those goals he keeps trying. Marmoush isn't this crazy chance creator either, but we all like him because he goes for goal and is in good spots to do it.

It's just that Doku is so wide he will never get that chance.

Play him or Marmoush in that role, never both.
 
WallyA said:
If he stays, and we dont get say the likes of Rodrygo, then I feel like Pep shouldn't keep him as a wide winger.

Have him do exactly the same as Marmoush, on the left, Doku simply struggles with the final ball, but let him play more centrally and go for those goals he keeps trying. Marmoush isn't this crazy chance creator either, but we all like him because he goes for goal and is in good spots to do it.

It's just that Doku is so wide he will never get that chance.

Play him or Marmoush in that role, never both.
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Doku doesn't have Marmoush's shot power, off ball instincts or stamina for that to work.

You simply need a more direct tactic to get the best out of Doku and Haaland. It ain't happening under Pep.
 
Belgian Flash said:
Doku doesn't have Marmoush's shot power, off ball instincts or stamina for that to work.

You simply need a more direct tactic to get the best out of Doku and Haaland. It ain't happening under Pep.
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No I don't think he compares to Marmoush there.

But he does beat him in dribbling, and I actually think his shooting technique is good, he just does it in the worst spots that he will never score, which is a problem with the system and what he is tasked with doing.

But imagine him more central, and not immediately double or triple marked, but playing with the ball on the go, not at a dead stop on the wing, his dribbling could be used in this different way to let him score, rather than watch him boringly find nobody.

The stats show Doku rarely shoots the ball, Savio shoots 2x more than him, and still has less goals!

It's not going to be natural for him either, he will have to adapt to it, but that is the best chance to for Doku to develop imo.
 
Dobsy said:
I think we can leave it as you've embarrassed yourself enough.
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Being called dim is par for the course when disagreeing with said poster.

He’s popped up on actual football matters as he’s not getting his fix of trolling in the political subforum anymore.

He’s best ignored. No discussion with him ends up in anything else but insults from him if you have the temerity to disagree with him.
 
Belgian Flash said:
It will be lost on you but ok - Doku has much better technique, ball control and finesse than Traore, hes more methodical and reactive to the defense, a start stop player who uses acceleration not pace. Traore is a route one, kick and run pace demon with poor touch who can't progress or recycle the ball to save his life. Its apples and oranges, but sure keep using it, its an incisively original comparison lol
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Im not sure if we are watching the same player, Doku has zero finesse which is why he isn't a regular starter. Traore is a stop start player or has been in the past. They both have no end product and poor shooting stats. Can't recycle the ball? So fronting the full back up and then passing it back is now a good trait?

You clearly have bias given your username but I am afraid we've seen more than enough of Doku to know that he will never be the first name on the team sheet at City. Take the rose tinted glasses off.
 
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Pretty much world-class in every area until it comes to goals and ends products.
 
Belgian Flash said:
Doku doesn't have Marmoush's shot power, off ball instincts or stamina for that to work.

You simply need a more direct tactic to get the best out of Doku and Haaland. It ain't happening under Pep.
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Unless Haaland is scoring or Doku assisting - we're down to 8 outfield players from the get go with those two, in terms of press, covering and shape - the dilemma is, their ineffectual fortunes can turn in a split second - then all the "told you so's", come out.
 
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Surely, all that matters is the end result?

In the Liverpool match they showed a graphic/stat that I'd never seen mentioned before - that Doku had skinned TAA more times than any winger had rounded any full back (certainly during this season, but it may have been since PL began? No doubt somebody else can confirm this).

But what came of it? The expression 'flatters to deceive' could have been invented for him.

Flashes of brilliance, but all too few and far between
 
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