1860 or Bayern Munchen?

[bayern blade]

Been to watch 1860 a few times at the Olympiastadion, not had a trip to Munich that's coincided with a home game since the opening of the Allianz though. Glad they seem to be turning the corner in terms of their finances though, even if it came at the cost of Bayern fucking them over whilst playing the role of saviour with the purchase of their half of the stadium.

There was hardly any choice, they were skint, in financial meltdown and the president was in jail because of fraud.
They should never have been involved in the Arena in the first place. We didn't "Fuck them over" we had no choice, they can't even afford the rent.

 

[GazC]

Been to watch 1860 a few times at the Olympiastadion, not had a trip to Munich that's coincided with a home game since the opening of the Allianz though. Glad they seem to be turning the corner in terms of their finances though, even if it came at the cost of Bayern fucking them over whilst playing the role of saviour with the purchase of their half of the stadium.

There was hardly any choice, they were skint, in financial meltdown and the president was in jail because of fraud.
They should never have been involved in the Arena in the first place. We didn't "Fuck them over" we had no choice, they can't even afford the rent.

It was a sound business decision by both clubs, and as you rightly say, it was hardly a choice for Die Sechz'ger given their predicament. It's just a shame that they had to sell their only meaningful asset, which is only going to aid the growth in the financial gulf between the two clubs in the years down the line.

 

[Maldeika]

Been to watch 1860 a few times at the Olympiastadion, not had a trip to Munich that's coincided with a home game since the opening of the Allianz though. Glad they seem to be turning the corner in terms of their finances though, even if it came at the cost of Bayern fucking them over whilst playing the role of saviour with the purchase of their half of the stadium.

There was hardly any choice, they were skint, in financial meltdown and the president was in jail because of fraud.
They should never have been involved in the Arena in the first place. We didn't "Fuck them over" we had no choice, they can't even afford the rent.

It was a sound business decision by both clubs, and as you rightly say, it was hardly a choice for Die Sechz'ger given their predicament. It's just a shame that they had to sell their only meaningful asset, which is only going to aid the growth in the financial gulf between the two clubs in the years down the line.

The problem with the two clubs in one city - and Munich is big and financially healthy enough to have two clubs - is, that the smaller or less successfull one does not focus similar clubs but the bigger club in the same city. That is somehow an unhealthy relationship - a lot of the downfall of 1860 might be caused by this (so the fault is not that of FCB).

1860 has a great youth department - but let Dortmund and other clubs buy away their best players instead of using them in their own team.

 

[given_is_ironman]

Just won the Bundesliga with 1860 on Fifa12, the german cup's next!

 

[Ruhr]

They should never have been involved in the Arena in the first place.

Think, the city of Munich demanded a solution involving both clubs.

Germany has for some historical reasons a tradition of "one city- one big club", but Munich – as rich as it is – could easily host two Bundesliga clubs. But surely it´s a fact, 1860 is one of the clubs with the worst management over the years. And it finally went all wrong IMO when they tried to become the little brother of Bayern.
Compare it to Hamburg. St. Pauli would never exist, if they had not started to take the image of a rebel´s club. 1860 should have gone for an own stadium a long time ago (yes, i know, that has always been a problem) and an image of a people´s club

 

[Uwe Rosler]

1860 out of the two, but i prefer...

 

[Squelch]

1860 were the favoured club of the Nazis during their rule. Not sure if this was in reaction against Bayern, which had some Jewish connections. Hope there's no neo-nazi support for 1860 nowadays.

 

[JGL07]

1860 were the favoured club of the Nazis during their rule. Not sure if this was in reaction against Bayern, which had some Jewish connections. Hope there's no neo-nazi support for 1860 nowadays.

Bayern were known as the Jews Club in the Nazi era.

From what I recall, I think that the 1860 fanbase includes many from the counter culture (as with St Pauli) as opposed to the 'establishment' support for Bayern.

 

[Ruhr]

1860 were the favoured club of the Nazis during their rule. Not sure if this was in reaction against Bayern, which had some Jewish connections. Hope there's no neo-nazi support for 1860 nowadays.

well, the Nazi movement had its roots in Munich in the 1920s. The Club managers of 1860 had connections to that party even before 1933, maybe because 1860 had been originally a gymnastic club (TSV) and gymnastics was the nationalistic and conservative sport in germany before WWI. While Bayern had a jewish president before 1933.
Just a case of wrong people in charge at the wrong time i would say. After 1933 1860 benefited financially from that nazi relationship.

Funny, but both Munich clubs didn´t talk about their history for a long time for different reasons.

A historian published a book named "The lions under the swastika" three years ago and 1860 presented the book, saying that it was time to tell this dark chapter of their history.

There is fan group named "Lion fans against the right", which is monitoring attempts of right extremists to get some influence among their fans. They won the Julius Hirsch award some years ago, an award for the anti-racist work of fans (Julius Hirsch played for the german national team at the 1912 Olympics and was killed by the Nazis in a concentration camp).

Anyway, it is not a special problem of 1860. Neonazis are trying this for 30 years now at various clubs, sadly with some success with the "lost generation" in east germany, while there is a great awareness of that threat among the fans of the big clubs.

 

[Blue Punter]

After the Salzburg game a few years ago, a few of us from here went to the old, old 1860/Bayern stadium, "The Grunwalde" for a Bayern II game. It was like going back to the 80's. Stood on terraces enjoying a pint, cost about €6 to get in.

Fair play to the Bayern fans, they kept the atmosphere going for the full 90 mins. Lots of 1860 graffitti/artwork in an around the stadium though.