1894 Group Banner

I have close up pictures of the banner, which I took this Morning.

People can judge the art work from that, if they haven’t already seen the art work.

I will post them later on.
 
I don't particulary think the banner looks great compared to the smaller ones and previous stuff done, but the aim and sentiment is there and cannot be slagged off for the sake of it.

It does no harm and all those slagging it off as embarressing really should look at half the banners that go up over europe.

I also think once 8 grand was mentioned people expected the mona lisa or vase with 12 sunflowers not something your kid does to put up on your fridge
 
I like it.

1. UEFA and the Cartel are Muppets
2. They do ignore racism, ban innocent fans and protect the Cartel
3. They have colluded to hinder us, pause us, send us backwards and ban us.

I think it’s bang on message. And you all social distanced properly unlike some other protesters this week!

Also I don’t know why people keep mentioning the £8,000... 8 grand is not a lot of money in this day and age!
 
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Please don't use the pictures without asking me first. Thanks.

City fans. All of us. Are sending UEFA and their cartel clubs a message.

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Manchester33 said:
Disagree with a lot of this. As someone who’s been involved in this display I just want to make a few points:

- we are the victims, aren’t we? UEFA have gone above and beyond to ban us.

- we don’t want support from the likes of United (Gill), Liverpool (Parry) etc. They are the elite who we’re attacking. Clubs like Newcastle, Everton, West Ham, who are similar to us in not being ‘European elite’ will support this IMO.

- football is tribal at the best of times. We shouldn’t have to count on support from other fans regardless.

- you’re correct about small group of decision makers. But 1894 is an open group (free memberships available now). We’re always trying to get people involved, but few step up and become ‘decision makers’.

- we asked our entire list of members for their ideas, we used a few of them (hence different banners).

- one of the main parts of a display is the shock value and suspense - if everyone knows the display before it happens it takes away from it.

- The main display might not be your cup of tea, but in our defence, if that’s unfurled whilst millions are watching City v Madrid (with UEFA Representatives sat in view), it goes up another level. Out of anyone’s control though with lockdown so had to get it out before court hearing.

I know you’re post isn’t trying to be offensive or rude or anything, and I hope my reply doesn’t come across as touchy. I’m just trying to add a bit of context from the other side.
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We’re the victims in this case, but theres a bigger issue here that should have been the focus. it isn’t that we’ve been wronged, it’s that uefa make and break their own rules and can do this whenever they want to whoever they want. just my opinion but if you’d have kept the “stop Man City” points off or relegated it to more subtle smaller sign in the background and put the other points on the agenda board, the displays message changes from “city fans crying it’s not fair” to “uefa are bent and will do whatever they want” and would have been infinitely better, garnered a better response and be much more relatable to all football fans.

I’ve been privy to things 1894 group have done before, several of them are mates of mates, i understand how much effort a select few put into it and I’m not knocking their efforts at all. I think you understand I’m not intentionally being negative i was merely offering a reason as to why some things don’t always work. I’m not even suggesting a change to your approach would be beneficial or necessary it’s just a possible explanation. I appreciate you recognise I’m not attempting to insult and your reply doesn’t come across as touchy either.
 
Shaelumstash said:
I think the reason this banner has been criticised is not because of the sentiment, or even the artwork. It’s because the idea hasn’t worked.
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That might be true, but would it have worked had it dropped from SS2 just as the "anthem" was played before the kick off for the real madrid game.

I suspect the impact would have been great, even it might have been removed quickly by stewards, it would have stayed in the media for days, and uefa might even have helped by fining the club, thereby keeping it going for several weeks.
 
waspish said:
City wouldn’t of let that banner in the ground and no way you could sneak that size of a banner in.
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unfortunately we were robbed of the opportunity to prove you wrong.

We 100% were getting it in the ground. We had everything in place and well organised. We wouldn’t have gone with such a big flag if we knew that would stop us.
 
cleavers said:
That might be true, but would it have worked had it dropped from SS2 just as the "anthem" was played before the kick off for the real madrid game.

I suspect the impact would have been great, even it might have been removed quickly by stewards, it would have stayed in the media for days, and uefa might even have helped by fining the club, thereby keeping it going for several weeks.
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Spot on!
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
I like it.

1. UEFA and the Cartel are Muppets
2. They do ignore racism, ban innocent fans and protect the Cartel
3. They have colluded to hinder us, pause us, send us backwards and ban us.

I think it’s bang on message.
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Yeah, it addresses all the main points so I don’t get this “too much going on” angle. I think part of the problem is that it wasn’t able to be unveiled at the match which would’ve had far more effect and gone down a treat with the message being conveyed better, plus emotions towards UEFA were running a lot higher back then, but in the meantime with all that’s gone on with Covid-19, the appetite for football has waned with a lot of fans, and the impact is reduced as a result. I include myself in that and I’m someone who was involved in helping out with this. I’ve far more enthusiasm about helping getting the display out than football itself at the moment and I reckon it’ll be a long time before I get that appetite for football back.
 
Nice one 1894. Think the banner looks good.

I reckon a lot of fans across Europe will be happy to see that more English fans are giving it a go with these kinds of displays, especially ones aimed at UEFA.
 
The artwork.

Being laid out on the the floor does not do the banner justice.

I will post all the other pictures later on.

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M18CTID said:
Yeah, it addresses all the main points so I don’t get this “too much going on” angle. I think part of the problem is that it wasn’t able to be unveiled at the match which would’ve had far more effect and gone down a treat with the message being conveyed better, plus emotions towards UEFA were running a lot higher back then, but in the meantime with all that’s gone on with Covid-19, the appetite for football has waned with a lot of fans, and the impact is reduced as a result. I include myself in that and I’m someone who was involved in helping out with this. I’ve far more enthusiasm about helping getting the display out than football itself at the moment and I reckon it’ll be a long time before I get that appetite for football back.
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I think people are saying there's "too much going on" because they've only seen a 15 second clip where you have to pause at the right moment to be able to read and see everything on the banner. If it had been hung from tier 2 like people are saying, there'd have been plenty of time to take it in.
 
Would have preffered a variation on pigs in a trough , the banner sends a very polite message which was probably neccesary to gleen any media coverage , no doubt there will be plenty of Rags & Dippers ready to take the piss , and UEFA will not give one f*ck.
 
The message is clear!

Unfortunately the puddles under the banner came through under the UEFA badge. Made it look dirty and crumpled. It isn't.

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M18CTID said:
Legia Warsaw display having a go at UEFA for fining the club - is that not victimisation? In these circumstances, what would be the point of a display that didn’t focus on all the shit thrown at us down the years? Wasn’t that the whole point of this?

Look - City aren’t liked by fans of loads of clubs due to the money, so whatever slant the display had taken would’ve seen bitter opposition fans pile in. On the one hand, they’re happy to call UEFA out for the corrupt twats they are but on the other they’re happy to blow smoke up UEFA’s arse for punishing the club without even bothering to do any research. That’s why Legia Warsaw fans get lauded for their anti-UEFA displays and City fans don’t.
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I think the difference between the two is, the legia Warsaw one puts emphasis on UEFA being greedy pigs, their imposed fine is more of a afterthought that you don’t notice immediately. whereas with this one, the eye is drawn immediately to “stop Man City”and the rest is only noticed afterwards. the general idea is similar, the idea of them being muppets is solid too it’s just the details that draw focus in and away and change the message.
 
jimmygrimblesboots said:
Would have preffered a variation on pigs in a trough , the banner sends a very polite message which was probably neccesary to gleen any media coverage , no doubt there will be plenty of Rags & Dippers ready to take the piss , and UEFA will not give one f*ck.
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They would have done inside the stadium. Club fine.

Perhaps not now.

But they will take notice of it.

UEFA always do, regardless of the club and their fans.

UEFA don't like any criticism whatsoever.
 
ninjamonkey said:
I think the difference between the two is, the legia Warsaw one puts emphasis on UEFA being greedy pigs, their imposed fine is more of a afterthought that you don’t notice immediately. whereas with this one, the eye is drawn immediately to “stop Man City”and the rest is only noticed afterwards. the general idea is similar, the idea of them being muppets is solid too it’s just the details that draw focus in and away and change the message.
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The difference being, Legia are fighting UEFA. We are fighting UEFA, the cartel clubs, and individuals. Hence the different characters on the banner.
 
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