2020 US Elections

[MillionMilesAway]

He's simply not all there

Biden the Birdkiller!

He does like his wind, he knows more about wind than anyone. Must be the hamberders.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Those polls he is sharing showing 92% Trump win in the debate. Does he believe it? Do his followers believe it?

They probably all do. Utter insanity.

The Daily Telegraph reckons he won it, but they still bang the drum for Johnson.

 

[pirate]

The debate was top on youtube just now so I dropped in.

Trump: Wind energy kills birds and causes fumes. Joe is against fracking.
Biden: only against certain fracking...

What a mess on both sides.

how does your quote indicate a mess on both sides?

 

[Scottyboi]

Sooo you're saying there's a chance?

 

[Bigga]

I am not contradicting you B, but I thought that he had gone as far as saying or maybe just suggesting that he regretted the policy.

I do find it strange that it is so rare for a politician to apologise. As you have said, if an apology was forthcoming then bridges can be built or at least you can start waving at each other from the opposite river bank.

Morning Doc.

No, he didn't even say he 'regretted it'. I'm pretty sure he just said "it was wrong" [not to characterise cocaine as the same drug].

I can understand that point.
I wonder if it's election advice he's been given - an apology would give a target for the Trump side to attack.

I thought I'd answer the apology part from both of you here.

No politician really apologises for what they do. It is super rare.

Biden would not have been getting as much "push back" on his treatment of the Black and poor community if he'd apologised much earlier.

#45 raised a point very rarely examined, he and Obama were in control of the presidency, why didn't he change what was wrong...? This nonsense that the GOP opposed any change to his bill is just that, utter nonsense! Biden had nowhere to go on the subject matter.

I find it interesting how the 'polls' have come out in favour of Biden when I wonder what part of society was asked. I would pretty much think that any Black voter who were undecided would have even more to pause about if they bother voting at all. Biden is, at this point 17% behind where the Black male vote was for Clinton.

It may, yet, drop off further for those that haven't voted.

Two extremely poor choices underlined by age and policies for the US Black community.

Everyone else can think as they like as the policies held by either affect them less.

This is factual in point in the US.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

He looks like shit the last few months. He is hitting the booze and or the marching powder hard, it shows in his bloated face

It’s definitely gear.

 

[DrBlueBob]

Morning Doc.

No, he didn't even say he 'regretted it'. I'm pretty sure he just said "it was wrong" [not to characterise cocaine as the same drug].


I thought I'd answer the apology part from both of you here.

No politician really apologises for what they do. It is super rare.

Biden would not have been getting as much "push back" on his treatment of the Black and poor community if he'd apologised much earlier.

#45 raised a point very rarely examined, he and Obama were in control of the presidency, why didn't he change what was wrong...? This nonsense that the GOP opposed any change to his bill is just that, utter nonsense! Biden had nowhere to go on the subject matter.

I find it interesting how the 'polls' have come out in favour of Biden when I wonder what part of society was asked. I would pretty much think that any Black voter who were undecided would have even more to pause about if they bother voting at all. Biden is, at this point 17% behind where the Black male vote was for Clinton.

It may, yet, drop off further for those that haven't voted.

Two extremely poor choices underlined by age and policies for the US Black community.

Everyone else can think as they like as the policies held by either affect them less.

This is factual in point in the US.

Thanks for that. I knew he'd acknowledged something but wasn't sure of the details. Re your second point, I largely agree with that. Not much in the way of humility in the political arena. All this is of course notwithstanding "But it's Trump" as I'm sure you know. :-)

 

[BobKowalski]

Morning Doc.

No, he didn't even say he 'regretted it'. I'm pretty sure he just said "it was wrong" [not to characterise cocaine as the same drug].


I thought I'd answer the apology part from both of you here.

No politician really apologises for what they do. It is super rare.

Biden would not have been getting as much "push back" on his treatment of the Black and poor community if he'd apologised much earlier.

#45 raised a point very rarely examined, he and Obama were in control of the presidency, why didn't he change what was wrong...? This nonsense that the GOP opposed any change to his bill is just that, utter nonsense! Biden had nowhere to go on the subject matter.

I find it interesting how the 'polls' have come out in favour of Biden when I wonder what part of society was asked. I would pretty much think that any Black voter who were undecided would have even more to pause about if they bother voting at all. Biden is, at this point 17% behind where the Black male vote was for Clinton.

It may, yet, drop off further for those that haven't voted.

Two extremely poor choices underlined by age and policies for the US Black community.

Everyone else can think as they like as the policies held by either affect them less.

This is factual in point in the US.

For the same reason the GOP didn't vote down Obamacare when they had control of the executive and the legislature. It‘s difficult enough when you have control, impossible when you don’t.

The thing about being in Govt is that it is hard and messy and there are compromises and lots of wrong choices. It’s why ‘outsiders’ can make waves because they have no record to judge. Trump promised lots of things and has achieved none of them except a tax cut for the wealthy. Which is why this time round he is making less impact.

I would also disagree that there are two extremely poor choices for the black community. There is one extremely poor choice and one so-so choice. The feedback my wife gets in her online group discussions is more ‘get Trump out at any price’ and Biden isn’t that bad a price. How representative an online discussion group about hair care for black women is I couldn’t tell you, but that is the feedback she gets.

 

[The perfect fumble]

This is worth a watch....

 

[Bigga]

Thanks for that. I knew he'd acknowledged something but wasn't sure of the details. Re your second point, I largely agree with that. Not much in the way of humility in the political arena. All this is of course notwithstanding "But it's Trump" as I'm sure you know. :-)

I think the last line is the stickler, for me. Sure, he's a gaffe machine, a bit thick and self centered, but the "I'm not him" rhetoric is wearing. Who is this aimed at? If it's purely because it's his sexism and general nonsense, fair enough, but that doesn't work when he's not had any Bills written[yet] that affect the Black community.

The other one has.

For the same reason the GOP didn't vote down Obamacare when they had control of the executive and the legislature. It‘s difficult enough when you have control, impossible when you don’t.

The thing about being in Govt is that it is hard and messy and there are compromises and lots of wrong choices. It’s why ‘outsiders’ can make waves because they have no record to judge. Trump promised lots of things and has achieved none of them except a tax cut for the wealthy. Which is why this time round he is making less impact.

I would also disagree that there are two extremely poor choices for the black community. There is one extremely poor choice and one so-so choice. The feedback my wife gets in her online group discussions is more ‘get Trump out at any price’ and Biden isn’t that bad a price. How representative an online discussion group about hair care for black women is I couldn’t tell you, but that is the feedback she gets.

So, my question is, since Biden knew this had been the issue since 1994 he's had the chance to champion a policy change and apologise before and since 2008, I don't understand (nor do many) why this wasn't something to tackle in 'the first 100 days' in office? This action would have resonated under a Black president for the Black community.

As a said to DocBob, this pres hasn't written any laws that affect the Black community as of yet. I wonder if you'd pose a question to your wife to separate the other issues dogging #45 away from the discussion on the Black community and see what she says then.

Judging things in isolation is very different than a pile on.