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The four commonwealths – Kentucky, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, and Virginia

well if they insist in using their colonian name instead of state, think they should come back into the fold and back pay 3 centuries of tax to us
 
For those just joining us, welcome to the neverending election.

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Allergheny county are not counting today confirmed , resume the countting after 5pm tomorrow, american time

Part challenge and part votes creased etc

Jeez this is confusing shite
 
So Trumps people have just held a News Conference in Nevada saying widespread fraud with mail in ballots, they wheeled out an old woman about 90 in front of the camera to say she went to vote and someone had already voted for her. Fuckin desperate stuff.
 
I hope someone screen grabbed the trump protester holding a sign that says “Loosers stealing the election” on MSNBC.
 
This is how third parties currently work in the US.

They could easily get big enough to take house and senate seats. But the reason they don’t is because of structural impediments (@aguerrrroooooooooooo and I were discussing a bit further up the thread) that prevent them from taking the seat where the real money and power is: the presidency. When you can compete for the pinnacle of political power in the US is very difficult to gain supporters, funding, and influence.

Until that is rectified they will always be merely “influencers” and “pushers”, inevitably being consumed by one of the Republican or Democratic parties once they have adopted enough of the third party platform to satisfy the members of that third party. Then the cycle repeats.
"Influencers" and "Pushers" would be enough at this point, in my opinion. Being assimilated into whichever party would be pointless if that party failed in its promises. There'd be nothing wrong with being independent enough to guarantee a vote from a demographic. A bit like Jim "joe knows us" Clyburn for influence.

I don't think gaining supporters is much of an issue, to be honest, it just needs direction. The block of where the money goes is not an issue either. We've seen people power break money lines with the election of Progressive candidates, so money doesn't always equal influence.

With the working class being the driver, consumer and contributor to the wealth of big business, there would be the ability to forced compromise for the working conditions and being more influential in the boardroom.

I know there's big talk on a new party forming as it's been happening in one form or other since the summer, in earnest. Right now, I know that the ideas are split on the way forward, when really they should march and support each other.
 
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