2020 US Elections

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penguins4kompany said:
You can't have your cake and eat it. Accepting the Vietnam war was a travesty and a proven act of US imperialistic war crimes, yet condemn someone for not taking part in it for whatever reasons is hypocrisy.
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Nah. Not necessarily. You can disagree with the war and think it's imperialism, but yet condemn the lack of courage in someone who did not consider it imperialism, but yet found an excuse to show little patriotism.

The former is based on your value system, and the latter on the value system of the person who failed to show courage by coming up with a rake reason to not take part.
 
BlueMoonFromAcrossThePond said:
Someone dodging the draft - out of cowardice - is not on the same footing as someone refusing to be drafted on the basis of moral conviction. The former is worthy of contempt - the later - either of grudging respect or of outright admiration, depending on your personal beliefs.
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Agreed on contempt for the draft dodger. But I'll stop short of any kind respect or admiration for the poser though.
 
Vic said:
He doesn't know if men landed on the moon as he wasn't there but he knows there was fraud, not because he was there, but because he saw it on the news.
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Actually that wasn't his point. Even though it seems a ton of folks are trying really hard to misunderstand him. Perhaps that was Cuomo's intent.

Cuomo's question "YOU got any proof that anything was done that was of fraudulent...?" asked a purposely narrow question. The guy isn't from any of the States in which claims of Fraud or Irregularities are being made. So he personally had no proof. Notice Cuomo doesn't ask if he has seen or heard of any evidence of Fraud.

So clearly the only truthful answer is "No, I personally don't.". But he knew answering it that way will give Cuomo the soundbite win he wants and Cuomo will go on a moralizing monologue.

So instead he attempts to use an analogy to show that he doesn't have to personally have proof to believe it. "I don't have evidence that men landed on the moon" Cuomo then cuts him off before he finished bwith something like, "yet I believe it because I believe the people who had the evidence and claimed we did."

The point he was making there was that he didn't have to personally have the evidence to believe it. But Cuomo and many (here and elsewhere) misunderstood his point. It didn't help that silly Cuomo in trying to show his aggressive interviewing style jumped on the incomplete analogy without understanding where it was going and asked another dumb question about what's believable. "So you believe the earth is round?" or something silly to that effect.

To which the guy also answers "yes I believe the earth is round coz we have proven that." That answer should have clued many in on what his point was originally about the moon landing..

As this too supports his original point that one need not be the one to have gone to space to see a round earth before one chooses to believe it is.

And even if it wasn't apparent to some what his "moon landing" analogy meant to convey, all you had to do was listening to the 2nd part of the claim

When he finally got tired of Cuomo's interruptions a blurted out over Cuomo's silly "cut you off mid sentence" style and said.

"What it comes down to here is I have to TRUST THE PEOPLE that are doing the investigating, my colleagues from those other States..."


In order words, just like I trust that we went to the moon without ever being there, or that the earth is round without ever having observed it myself, I am trusting my colleagues in the States who are saying there is evidence. And he then gives an example of such evidence from Michigan.

Anyway I hope it's clear for everyone now. But I doubt it :)
 
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Dax777 said:
Actually that wasn't his point. Even though it seems a ton of folks are trying really hard to misunderstand him. Perhaps that was Cuomo's intent.

Cuomo's question "YOU got any proof that anything was done that was of fraudulent...?" asked a purposely narrow question. The guy isn't from any of the States in which claims of Fraud or Irregularities are being made. So he personally had no proof. Notice Cuomo doesn't ask if he has seen or heard of any evidence of Fraud.

So clearly the only truthful answer is "No, I personally don't.". But he knew answering it that way will give Cuomo the soundbite win he wants and Cuomo will go on a moralizing monologue.

So instead he attempts to use an analogy to show that he doesn't have to personally have proof to believe it. "I don't have evidence that men landed on the moon" Cuomo then cuts him off before he finished bwith something like, "yet I believe it because I believe the people who had the evidence and claimed we did."

The point he was making there was that he didn't have to personally have the evidence to believe it. But Cuomo and many (here and elsewhere) misunderstood his point. It didn't help that silly Cuomo in trying to show his aggressive interviewing style jumped on the incomplete analogy without understanding where it was going and asked another dumb question about what's believable. "So you believe the earth is round?" or something silly to that effect.

To which the guy also answers "yes I believe the earth is round coz we have proven that." That answer should have clued many in on what his point was originally about the moon landing..

As this too supports his original point that one need not be the one to have gone to space to see a round earth before one chooses to believe it is.

And even if it wasn't apparent to some what his "moon landing" analogy meant to convey, all you had to do was listening to the 2nd part of the claim

When he finally got tired of Cuomo's interruptions a blurted out over Cuomo's silly "cut you off mid sentence" style and said.

"What it comes down to here is I have to TRUST THE PEOPLE that are doing the investigating, my colleagues from those other States..."


In order words, just like I trust that we went to the moon without ever being there, or that the earth is round without ever having observed it myself, I am trusting my colleagues in the States who are saying there is evidence. And he then gives an example of such evidence from Michigan.

Anyway I hope it's clear for everyone now. But I doubt it :)
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Do you believe anything that Dax777 says, because Penguins4Kompany tried to make some random point about something.

In other words, other stuff has happened and I trust it must have done.

There’s been quite a lot of reporting to suggest Mr Trump may not be telling the whole truth. A lot of court cases have seemed to confirm that.

i do accept that you wouldn’t be able to confirm the election result until @Decc66 ceded it though.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Do you believe anything that Dax777 says, because Penguins4Kompany tried to make some random point about something.

In other words, other stuff has happened and I trust it must have done.

There’s been quite a lot of reporting to suggest Mr Trump may not be telling the whole truth. A lot of court cases have seemed to confirm that.

i do accept that you wouldn’t be able to confirm the election result until @Decc66 ceded it though.
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Huh! Good point :)
 

andyhinch said:
Have you got anything even vaguely on point to offer ?
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No, just This thread is so self righteous and myopic . Its just odd that it can cause that much of a hysterical pack mentality when Biden and Harris are arguably not offering anything radically different in the scheme of things. I fail to see what the big deal is when Harris has a legacy of draconian sentences for black offenders. Likewise, Biden 's complicit role, in the United States' decimation of the ancient worlds . Whether through spite, gain, or other these lands were coveted and targetted with relative ease for whatever reason by them. . The guy's a coward for his part in that injustice, however limited.
Add to that , both seem quite disingenuous. Kamala almost seems like she's drunk whenever I've seen her . The VP debate was a tell tale sign. He actually was trying to engage in political discourse with her but even on that stage got mere platitudes, if almost she knew it was in the bag no matter how it went. And then the fly takes the headlines. The relevant policy matters got overlooked by the trivial and was accepted en masse.

Twitter went down for 20 hours or so(which is I think is unprecedented) coinciding with the final leader's debate , where Biden had to go without his earpiece after the rep's clocked it from the first one where , unvetted by the network, Joe was getting fed lines it seemed. So a pretty much media blackout of a more calm reasoned, maybe desperate at this point trump but prevailing none the less in the last debate was stricken from the records of a major social media source . Obviously sanders should have been given the opportunity and we could have had a real political mauling
andyhinch said:
Have you got anything even vaguely on point to offer ?
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