2020 US Elections

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Ban-jani said:
How unfit are you?
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Recent selfie video taken in my garage:

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SebastianBlue said:
He really needs to be impeached and removed.

It is the only decent, fairly comprehensive remedy, even if it would take a bit longer.

Whether, even after he incited an armed insurrection, there is political will to get it done remains to be seen.
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I don't think he can be impeached in time.
The challenge with removal is that if he is removed then Pence (President Pence, imagine that,) would be able to pardon him.
Self pardon is dubious - would go to Supreme Court - but Pence pardon is watertight (from Federal charges) .
So might not be the best plan.
Not many days left.
 
GH64 said:
I don't think he can be impeached in time.
The challenge with removal is that if he is removed then Pence (President Pence, imagine that,) would be able to pardon him.
Self pardon is dubious - would go to Supreme Court - but Pence pardon is watertight (from Federal charges) .
So might not be the best plan.
Not many days left.
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He could be impeached and removed in time, it’s just whether there is the political will to do so. And I have already spoken about the pardon issue and posted legal/scholarly analyses of it (at length in the Trump thread and more briefly in the last few pages of this thread).

There is more to be gained by Trump being impeached and removed than lost, even if “President Pence” pardons him (especially as he’ll most likely be criminally/financially destroyed by non-federal charges, anyway).

Whether it will happen remains to be seen.
 
Yeah, that should definitely be your top concern right now.

Also, did you think you were going to be offered professorships at the Kennedy School or board memberships at Fortune 500 companies?

You’ll be lucky to avoid becoming the **** cleaner at the local minimum security prison.

 
GH64 said:
I don't think he can be impeached in time.
The challenge with removal is that if he is removed then Pence (President Pence, imagine that,) would be able to pardon him.
Self pardon is dubious - would go to Supreme Court - but Pence pardon is watertight (from Federal charges) .
So might not be the best plan.
Not many days left.
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He can’t be, and the votes wouldn’t be there anyway. Pence isn’t going to pardon him if he presides over and votes for removing him via the 25th. But it doesn’t matter — neither will happen. Pence and the cabinet will stonewall and delay any discussion of this despite pressure and I’m not even sure a vote would make it through the cabinet anyhow. Chao resigning is the biggest chickenshit move of all as now she abandons the need/responsibility of making a call. I don’t think his cabinet has the stones to try to boot him now after all this. Never been done this way (25th has been enacted temporarily before) and no one will want to be a party to that history and become a focus/lightning rod. They’ll pray they can hang on for 13 more days.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Yeah, that should definitely be your top concern right now.

Also, did you think you were going to be offered professorships at the Kennedy School or board memberships at Fortune 500 companies?

You’ll be lucky to avoid becoming the **** cleaner at the local minimum security prison.

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I know you were making a joke Seb but — YES, that’s EXACTLY what they thought.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
He can’t be, and the votes wouldn’t be there anyway. Pence isn’t going to pardon him if he presides over and votes for removing him via the 25th. But it doesn’t matter — neither will happen. Pence and the cabinet will stonewall and delay any discussion of this despite pressure and I’m not even sure a vote would make it through the cabinet anyhow. Chao resigning is the biggest chickenshit move of all as now she abandons the need/responsibility of making a call. I don’t think his cabinet has the stones to try to boot him now after all this. Never been done this way (25th has been enacted temporarily before) and no one will want to be a party to that history and become a focus/lightning rod. They’ll pray they can hang on for 13 more days.
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We were discussing impeachment and removal, rather than invoking the 25th, although I agree that the latter is very unlikely to happen. The former is removed from VP/cabinet participation and is still a long shot (but not based on time, as it could be done fairly quickly; it’s the dearth of collective political will that is the issue).

It is the best remedy, though.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
He can’t be, and the votes wouldn’t be there anyway. Pence isn’t going to pardon him if he presides over and votes for removing him via the 25th. But it doesn’t matter — neither will happen. Pence and the cabinet will stonewall and delay any discussion of this despite pressure and I’m not even sure a vote would make it through the cabinet anyhow. Chao resigning is the biggest chickenshit move of all as now she abandons the need/responsibility of making a call. I don’t think his cabinet has the stones to try to boot him now after all this. Never been done this way (25th has been enacted temporarily before) and no one will want to be a party to that history and become a focus/lightning rod. They’ll pray they can hang on for 13 more days.
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How much longer is he gonna keep living there? Surely he’ll get himself to Florida well before the 20th?
 
chesterbells said:
How much longer is he gonna keep living there? Surely he’ll get himself to Florida well before the 20th?
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Trump isn't legally allowed to live at Mar a Lago for more than 21 days per year due to an agreement he came to with the local authorities over the residential status of the facility (knowing Trump there was probably some sort of tax dodge involved).
 
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