2020 US Elections

[Bigga]

Bubble! Bubble my arse!

And still, no answer.

Move along, pal, I'm not trying to fall out regardless of how much you want to insult me.

 

[The perfect fumble]

And still, no answer.

Move along, pal, I'm not trying to fall out regardless of how much you want to insult me.

Answer? Answer what?

Insult? I've insulted you?

I've no idea how old you are, but even in my pomp I was never so certain as you.

 

[super_city_si]

They’re good at this.

Haha thats probably their best yet. Brilliant.

 

[Bigga]

Answer? Answer what?

Insult? I've insulted you?

I've no idea how old you are, but even in my pomp I was never so certain as you.

So, throughout our exchange you haven't thrown insults my way?

Okay.

I'll take that answer as a disingenuous one as much as you've called it me today.

I've tried to ask you to move on from it.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Seems significant.....

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Get to the foot of our stairs!

I said the choice between Biden and Trump was not a political choice but a moral one. Your reply went on about the disenfranchised (disinterested).

In the context of my post, who gives a fuck about the disenfranchised (disinterested)?

It is an entirely unrelated topic.

That's why you are deliberately disingenuous, that's why you piss off even those with whom you might have common cause.

Hey, just a thought, but maybe we should conclude that some of those who can't see this as a moral choice might not be able to because they aren't themselves moral. Not an insinuation -- just could be a possibility.

 

[Bigga]

Hmm, well look at that.

The Wall St guy sat in his gated community, in his Ivory Tower, that afford to be at home with his cushy job paying good money, looks down upon those disillusioned non-voters who feel their lives have not improved as... 'immoral'.

He 'concludes' that it's a "possibility" that "they aren't themselves moral".

Hey, fuck that neolib... Just a thought.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Hmm, well look at that.

The Wall St guy sat in his gated community, in his Ivory Tower, that afford to be at home with his cushy job paying good money, looks down upon those disillusioned non-voters who feel their lives have not improved as... 'immoral'.

He 'concludes' that it's a "possibility" that "they aren't themselves moral".

Hey, fuck that neolib... Just a thought.

I’m sure he can speak for himself Bigga but I’m pretty sure you’re reading that wrong.
I don’t think Foggy is talking about the non voting community.

I think there’s two separate arguments getting crossed here.

At least that’s how I read it.

 

[Bigga]

I’m sure he can speak for himself Bigga but I’m pretty sure you’re reading that wrong.
I don’t think Foggy is talking about the non voting community.

Oh yes.

Yes, he is.

I can see why the non-voter are the non-voter. I've already explained it has fuck all to do with political or moral reasons and I stand with them on it, but he's called them out as that.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Oh yes.

Yes, he is.

I can see why the non-voter are the non-voter. I've already explained it has fuck all to do with political or moral reasons and I stand with them on it, but he's called them out as that.

Fair enough. I’ll let him answer for himself so.

 

[Bigga]

Fair enough. I’ll let him answer for himself so.

Good.

If you ever go back far enough, you'll see he continues to jab at me through posters, like yourself.

Pretty cowardly as I'm sure you'd agree.

At this point you're innocent, but being used as a shield but he has loads of enablers on here.

 

[journolud]

Oh yes.

Yes, he is.

I can see why the non-voter are the non-voter. I've already explained it has fuck all to do with political or moral reasons and I stand with them on it, but he's called them out as that.

Tou can see why some non voters are non voters and have given your opinion about that but the “non voter” are not a collective with a single shared motive. You should speak for yourself as you often do but you are a spokesman only for those you agree with or who agree with you, not for the masses

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

I’m sure he can speak for himself Bigga but I’m pretty sure you’re reading that wrong.
I don’t think Foggy is talking about the non voting community.

I think there’s two separate arguments getting crossed here.

At least that’s how I read it.

Errrr . . . Well, there’s a “I refuse to vote” community and a “I can’t vote” community. The latter can be broken down between an “I can’t vote yet” community (like my kids) and an “I can’t ever vote” community. The last is totally irrelevant — nothing they say matters. The others both parties absolutely should and do pay attention to, and probably need to pay more attention to.

The poster you reference is in the irrelevant category. His opinion is totally irrelevant. There are no consequences to whatever he thinks or believes about the US, so he can make up whatever bullshit he wants about how to solve everything his way with not a whit of care for the impact on anyone. Must be nice.

Regardless, anyone of those groups — anyone period — might believe this isn’t a moral choice. They’re wrong, of course, but not necessarily because they aren’t moral. I could have said some of those who don’t see this as a moral choice are idiots, or uneducated, and others are too lazy to do any homework. Actually, I HAVE said that, about 1,000 times.

It’s always at least one of those.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Thanks for that CB, but it only makes me more astounded.
It is an incredibly crazy situation and so far removed from a government of the people, by the people, for the people.

We don’t get a holiday here to vote either, but rarely would have more than the national vote on one day. It can happen that there may be a local election in an area on the same day but extremely rare.

Polling stations close at end of day and results come back within 1-3 days for all areas.

There are local polling stations nationwide and you go to your assigned one and by ballot number go to one of the many tellers within to receive your paper.
So no queuing of any consequence.

There are busier times if the day, naturally, like just before school runs, but it all runs like clockwork.

Your system by design sounds totally undemocratic to me.

We had Gerrymandering up north around 50 years ago and it caused a lot of Trouble. Take note.

The United States is really 50 countries cobbled together. People move across state boundaries for things like taxes, gun ownership, home prices, just to shop!

In Washington State, there is NO State Income Tax. In Oregon, it is 9.9% for anyone making about £100,000.

In Oregon, there is no sales tax (kinda like VAT), but in Washington State it is 6.5%, with local authorities able to add 4% on top of that! Vancouver’s is 8.4%!

So, people live along the southern border of Washington State in a city called Vancouver, but cross the state line (Columbia River) to do all their shopping in Portland, OR!

So, no state income taxes AND no sales taxes, BUT that has driven up the cost of homes around Vancouver, WA is about $14/$1,000 of real estate value...which is about HALF what I pay in IL!

So, we have 50 state taxation authorities that have (often hundreds of) further taxation authorities within them.

Thus, this Nov, ONLY THE FIRST LINE of the ballot will be PRESIDENT & VP, but then there will be pages and pages and pages of state and local elections and votes to be made.

State representatives, Judges, other smaller taxing authorities (water, property assessor, village, etc...) and a HUGE STATE TAX INITIATIVE to change the Illinois State Constitution!

It’s different. Not better, maybe not worse, but different to the UK, which is literally only the size of Oregon!

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

The United States is really 50 countries cobbled together. People move across state boundaries for things like taxes, gun ownership, home prices, just to shop!

In Washington State, there is NO State Income Tax. In Oregon, it is 9.9% for anyone making about £100,000.

In Oregon, there is no sales tax (kinda like VAT), but in Washington State it is 6.5%, with local authorities able to add 4% on top of that! Vancouver’s is 8.4%!

So, people live along the southern border of Washington State in a city called Vancouver, but cross the state line (Columbia River) to do all their shopping in Portland, OR!

So, no state income taxes AND no sales taxes, BUT that has driven up the cost of homes around Vancouver, WA is about $14/$1,000 of real estate value...which is about HALF what I pay in IL!

So, we have 50 state taxation authorities that have (often hundreds of) further taxation authorities within them.

Thus, this Nov, ONLY THE FIRST LINE of the ballot will be PRESIDENT & VP, but then there will be pages and pages and pages of state and local elections and votes to be made.

State representatives, Judges, other smaller taxing authorities (water, property assessor, village, etc...) and a HUGE STATE TAX INITIATIVE to change the Illinois State Constitution!

It’s different. Not better, maybe not worse, but different to the UK, which is literally only the size of Oregon!

Correct. I am voting on 9 races and 15 ballot initiatives, including shit like whether a doctor’s presence should be required at dialysis usage, whether Uber/Lyft drivers should be full-time employees or private contractors, and whether 17 year-olds who turn 18 by a general election should have the right to vote in a primary when they are 17. I already said before — last election I voted on whether or not condoms should be required on porn sets filmed in California. The races are so small I actually know two people running — one is my state Assemblyman and another is a friend running for a water management board seat!

If anything we’re TOO democratic! Actually what happens is the initiative process is abused by special interest groups because the signature count required to get something on the ballot is far too low.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

The United States is really 50 countries cobbled together. People move across state boundaries for things like taxes, gun ownership, home prices, just to shop!

In Washington State, there is NO State Income Tax. In Oregon, it is 9.9% for anyone making about £100,000.

In Oregon, there is no sales tax (kinda like VAT), but in Washington State it is 6.5%, with local authorities able to add 4% on top of that! Vancouver’s is 8.4%!

So, people live along the southern border of Washington State in a city called Vancouver, but cross the state line (Columbia River) to do all their shopping in Portland, OR!

So, no state income taxes AND no sales taxes, BUT that has driven up the cost of homes around Vancouver, WA is about $14/$1,000 of real estate value...which is about HALF what I pay in IL!

So, we have 50 state taxation authorities that have (often hundreds of) further taxation authorities within them.

Thus, this Nov, ONLY THE FIRST LINE of the ballot will be PRESIDENT & VP, but then there will be pages and pages and pages of state and local elections and votes to be made.

State representatives, Judges, other smaller taxing authorities (water, property assessor, village, etc...) and a HUGE STATE TAX INITIATIVE to change the Illinois State Constitution!

It’s different. Not better, maybe not worse, but different to the UK, which is literally only the size of Oregon!

Sounds complicated.
Judges voted on too? Local authorities etc?
How are the local elections decided? Is it FPTP or do you have any sort of proportional representation?

Here in Ireland we have PR and multi seat constituencies which is different to the UK.
It’s a fairer system IMO, although not without it’s drawbacks some would say.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

 

[Bigga]

Tou can see why some non voters are non voters and have given your opinion about that but the “non voter” are not a collective with a single shared motive. You should speak for yourself as you often do but you are a spokesman only for those you agree with or who agree with you, not for the masses

I understand that. There are a multitude of reasons why people don't vote as there are a multitude of reasons why people vote.

You don't see me coming down on each other commentator about speaking 'for the masses' every time they write about the voter.

Do you...?

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Correct. I am voting on 9 races and 15 ballot initiatives, including shit like whether a doctor’s presence should be required at dialysis usage, whether Uber/Lyft drivers should be full-time employees or private contractors, and whether 17 year-olds who turn 18 by a general election should have the right to vote in a primary when they are 17. I already said before — last election I voted on whether or not condoms should be required on porn sets filmed in California. The races are so small I actually know two people running — one is my state Assemblyman and another is a friend running for a water management board seat!

If anything we’re TOO democratic! Actually what happens is the initiative process is abused by special interest groups because the signature count required to get something on the ballot is far too low.

Crazy.
What do the state representatives that you vote in actually do if you’ve all done the work voting on things like that for them?

Something I have alwAys wanted to ask though is how or when are the senate seats voted In. How is the actual makeup of the federal government decided.
Are you voting governors in on ballot at this time too?

 

[Bigga]

Aww, well I'm glad the Wall St guy 'doubles down' on his belief that the non-voter is not moral.

Nowt like being looked down upon, eh...?