2020 US Elections

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Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I thought he made a fair point, but appreciate that you have every right to call me names for doing so. I'm looking forward to Baden's victory - brought to be no doubt by those who obsess with Trump calling his supporters idiots for four years and in doing so successfully changing their minds / voting preference.
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Why would I call you names? Did you pull a Lance Armstrong like he did?
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Cheers mate. Fingers crossed people take whatever the result is in stride and than innocent folks aren't hurt and possessions go undestroyed.
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I’m actually feeling more positive and optimistic for the American people today, watching the turnout. Admirable, considering the difficulties put your way.
 
BobKowalski said:
Yeah, and he lost by 3 million votes. He will lose this election by god knows how many million this time and may win via the EC, but the idea that there is this shy vote waiting to sweep him to power doesn‘t really stack up. What will give him power is a system which is designed to temper rule by the majority.
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I don't know if its Republican wishcasting or a genuine misunderstanding but there's basically no evidence that the "shy Trump voter" phenomenon exists at all, let alone in an amount that would change the election. I don't know how this theory has gained so much steam over the last few years.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Is that a euphemism? I got sucked off in a phone box once.
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LOL thanks for that info (though not for the image).

Yeah, it's laying waste to and castigating everyone around who you don't agree with/accuse you, and then saying, "Yeah, what you all said was true" and disappearing. In the old days we also called it a Spiro Agnew (VPOTUS who denied taking bribes day after day after day for months and then one day woke up and resigned).

It's imperfect, granted.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
Excellent rant.
But what do you do about it?
There is nothing worse than hopelessness.
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A meaningful 3rd or 4th party has always been suppressed in the States, but it's the way to go.

A worker's party, Black party, lower classed, whatever. I think a party infused with these kind of demographics would change everything. That's not to say a President may well rise from this section, but a party whose members hold the balance of significant power of vote, would make all the difference to the shape of US society and affect other countries to follow suit.

Capitalism can do nothing without its workers/ consumers, so people can bring this out of control capitalist animal to heel.

Why not...?
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
I’m actually feeling more positive and optimistic for the American people today, watching the turnout. Admirable, considering the difficulties put your way.
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A lot of people here (with one notable exception) have said this election is all about turnout and the minimization of apathy and that's what appears to have happened; the 2018 midterms were a good sign in that regard.
 
Bigga said:
A meaningful 3rd or 4th party has always been suppressed in the States, but it's the way to go.

A worker's party, Black party, lower classed, whatever. I think a party infused with these kind of demographics would change everything. That's not to say a President may well rise from this section, but a party whose members hold the balance of significant power of vote, would make all the difference to the shape of US society and affect other countries to follow suit.

Capitalism can do nothing without its workers/ consumers, so people can bring this out of control capitalist animal to heel.

Why not...?
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I think you split the vote in their present system.
You need PR and multi seated constituencies. I’ll leave it to our American posters to explain whether that is possible at state or federal level over there.
I don’t know enough about it in the States. But what you are suggesting would have to leave the possibility of a coalition government at federal level. As I say, I don’t know enough about the American system, but you barely have that possibility in the UK at the moment, which is a lot closer to home.

Here in Ireland with PR and multi seated constituencies there is a wider spread of the vote and coalitions became the norm decades ago.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
A lot of people here (with one notable exception) have said this election is all about turnout and the minimization of apathy and that's what appears to have happened; the 2018 midterms were a good sign in that regard.
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Yes. Also as someone said earlier I think no one is voting against Biden in the same way that some were actively voting against Hillary as far as I can see.
 
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