2022 World Cup Discussion

Aside from the human rights debate, I think people are being put off by the maximised corporate bullshit levels. Hotel prices are through the stratosphere. Or you stay in a container-sized box in a desert fan zone. Without beer?
 
Oh yes. This is going to go well .....

"A Qatar World Cup ambassador calling homosexuality "damage in the mind" is "harmful and unacceptable", says Human Rights Watch.

Former Qatar international Khalid Salman told German broadcaster ZDF that LGBTQ+ people attending the tournament should "accept our rules". Homosexuality is illegal in Qatar because it is considered immoral under Islamic Sharia law.

Salman said: "[Homosexuality] is haram. You know what haram [forbidden] means?" When asked why it was haram, he added: "I am not a strict Muslim but why is it haram? Because it is damage in the mind."

The interview, which is part of a documentary set to be broadcast on Tuesday, was then stopped by an accompanying official."

I think its fair enough he says that, if you want to go to a country you should respect that countries laws, same goes for here, USA or anywhere else. If somebody doesn't like it don't go.
 
I think it's the fact it was so corrupt and its clearly unsuited. The fact they had to move it to winter. Build all the stadiums with slave labour and then they will just get abandoned. Its just so wrong, there is no reason for it to be there other than corruption.

Human rights is the cherry on top.
But, but, but, but, but it will help develop 'soccer' in a part of the world the world cup has never been held in. Surely you can see that. Well, 'soccer' for straight men anyway.
 
I think its fair enough he says that, if you want to go to a country you should respect that countries laws, same goes for here, USA or anywhere else. If somebody doesn't like it don't go.

I agree. As another poster has stated, in 1967 homosexuality was decriminalised in England. It took until 1981 in Scotland and 1982 in Northern Ireland. You've been able to legally apply to change your gender since 2005. Same-sex marriage was allowed from 2014 and not until 2020 in Northern Ireland. We're talking about a country who still bases its laws on scripture which are sacred to Muslims. They haven't reached the stage western churches have, whereby they're willing to accept change beyond the scripture. Places which still place the church at the heart of its community remain opposed to homosexuality - see the US in particular. We can't force change upon them, when it remains an issue a lot closer to home (there are still issues in the UK in terms of abuse and a lack of equality).

The world is full of hypocrisy. Russia and Brazil score worse for their records on human rights yet it isn't mentioned. The issues in the US will not be mentioned when we play the tournament there. Just like it's never mentioned with the US owners of English football teams. We're dead against the Qatari world cup yet everyone seems to be happy to take the money and go, they're just doing it to highlight the issues apparently. Pull the other one! What about the deals we do with the Saudis? We can criticise them for owning Newcastle but we won't mention the arms deal we have with them to go and bomb Yemen.

Sick of hearing about it. Just get on and bloody play the tournament and focus on the football. We've got plenty of issues at home we could do with sorting before we start telling everyone how to think and act. Slave labour/workers rights - it's unacceptable but we've got fucking statues of people who had slaves. We used to love it!
 
I think it's the fact it was so corrupt and its clearly unsuited. The fact they had to move it to winter. Build all the stadiums with slave labour and then they will just get abandoned. Its just so wrong, there is no reason for it to be there other than corruption.

Human rights is the cherry on top.

Dodgy as fuck. But it's done now and that's with FIFA. Qatar are getting so much stick, a lot of it rightfully - the fact so many people died in construction of the stadiums is unacceptable and they need to accept and identify how to fix that. The LGBT stuff is bollocks, we can't force them to accept something their scripture doesn't. That's too dangerous. But there's corruption everywhere. Brazil was given the World Cup, did we hear about the way they treat people? Or did we not give a shit because it's Brazil and they love their football? When Russia were given it we were disappointed it wasn't given to England but we moved on and not much was made about how they treat homosexuality or people in general. They've even followed things up with a nice invasion of Ukraine.

We hosted the Euro's, our fans charged the stadium without tickets and then people racially abused our own team for missing penalties. Fucking wonderful. It's best to ignore all of that shite, and just focus on the football. Otherwise it's a depressing fucking world.
 
I think its fair enough he says that, if you want to go to a country you should respect that countries laws, same goes for here, USA or anywhere else. If somebody doesn't like it don't go.

I don't have a problem with any of that. I am the first to say liberal western countries need to respect the cultures of developing countries and give them time to develop social awareness, if that is what they want to do.

But this guy is an ambassador for a sporting event which is expecting to welcome visitors from all over the world. He should have been briefed on how to answer questions like this without resorting to homosexuality is "damage in the mind".

It works both ways.
 
But, but, but, but, but it will help develop 'soccer' in a part of the world the world cup has never been held in. Surely you can see that. Well, 'soccer' for straight men anyway.

Hmmm .... soccer for straight men, you say? How many footballers have come out in the UK, again?
 
I agree. As another poster has stated, in 1967 homosexuality was decriminalised in England. It took until 1981 in Scotland and 1982 in Northern Ireland. You've been able to legally apply to change your gender since 2005. Same-sex marriage was allowed from 2014 and not until 2020 in Northern Ireland. We're talking about a country who still bases its laws on scripture which are sacred to Muslims. They haven't reached the stage western churches have, whereby they're willing to accept change beyond the scripture. Places which still place the church at the heart of its community remain opposed to homosexuality - see the US in particular. We can't force change upon them, when it remains an issue a lot closer to home (there are still issues in the UK in terms of abuse and a lack of equality).

The world is full of hypocrisy. Russia and Brazil score worse for their records on human rights yet it isn't mentioned. The issues in the US will not be mentioned when we play the tournament there. Just like it's never mentioned with the US owners of English football teams. We're dead against the Qatari world cup yet everyone seems to be happy to take the money and go, they're just doing it to highlight the issues apparently. Pull the other one! What about the deals we do with the Saudis? We can criticise them for owning Newcastle but we won't mention the arms deal we have with them to go and bomb Yemen.

Sick of hearing about it. Just get on and bloody play the tournament and focus on the football. We've got plenty of issues at home we could do with sorting before we start telling everyone how to think and act. Slave labour/workers rights - it's unacceptable but we've got fucking statues of people who had slaves. We used to love it!
Some valid points re Russia. I was pretty uninspired by that tournament for the same reasons I am with this one. It was only there because of corruption.

But at least it was in the summer and in a country that actually has a football tradition and fans.

Football should belong to the fans. If it did the World Cup would never be in Qatar.
 

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