25-man squad

[gmtx]

To those who know more about the ins and outs of the rule - How's it shaping up? Who are our eight homegrown players? Who are our U21s? With the size of our squad as it is at the moment, do any players stand to miss out on the squad, especially in light of the potential arrival of Hargreaves?

And secondly, how does it work in Champs League? I've heard we have to have at least four club produced players, if so who would those be- Micah obviously but who else?

 

[LoveCity]

Assuming Balotelli doesn't count because of his age (does he?)

1. Hart (HG)
2. Pantilimon
3. Taylor (HG)
4. Richards (HG)
5. Zabaleta
6. Kompany
7. Lescott (HG)
8. Savic
9. Kolo Toure
10. Clichy (HG)
11. Kolarov
12. Johnson (HG)
13. Milner (HG)
14. Barry (HG)
15. De Jong
16. Yaya Toure
17. Silva
18. Nasri
19. Tevez
20. Dzeko
21. Aguero

That's all I can think of with SWP leaving and others out or not in plans.

22. Hargreaves
23.
24.
25.

We don't even have Logan to fill up a spot this time, will we give Bellamy a spot if he refuses to go and Bridge if we can't find someone to take him?

 

[citytillidie24]

We don't have to have 4 homegrown players for CL, but if we don't we can only name 21 players if you get me.... So we have Hart and Richards for sure, so we could name 23 and leave 2 stops for homegrown players.

We need 8 players trained in England between the ages of 17-21 in the Premier League and that's covered with:

Hart
Taylor
Richards
Lescott
Barry
Milner
Johnson
Boyata

Probably a few more too.

I wouldn't worry too much, we'll be all set.

 

[MCFC 4 EVER]

To those who know more about the ins and outs of the rule - How's it shaping up? Who are our eight homegrown players? Who are our U21s? With the size of our squad as it is at the moment, do any players stand to miss out on the squad, especially in light of the potential arrival of Hargreaves?

And secondly, how does it work in Champs League? I've heard we have to have at least four club produced players, if so who would those be- Micah obviously but who else?

For the CL we would also have Joe Hart (He qualifies has he signed for us when he was young and is considered home grown) and SWP for the 4th we would have to pick someone from the EDS or Nedum to fill the team
For the prem we are in order as far as I see it, we have 8+ homegrown players (Trained in England) in Barry, Milner, AJ, Micah, Joe Hart, Lescott, Taylor, Clichy etc...
The 25 man squad should look like this providing we sign Hargreaves:
Joe Hart, Taylor, Costel
Micah, Zabs, Kolo, Lescott, Vinny, Kolarov, Clichy, Onuoha (?)
Barry, Nasri, AJ, Milner, De Jong, Yaya, Silva, SWP, Hargreaves
Dzeko, Kun, Tevez,
Balo and Savic are U21 and don't need to be registered
So we would still have 2 places left over
(?)= Doubt

 

[gmtx]

We don't even have Logan to fill up a spot this time, will we give Bellamy a spot if he refuses to go and Bridge if we can't find someone to take him?

I think we'll have to, I'm sure the rules say you're not allowed to have any empty spots in the 25 if you've got enough players to fill it.

We don't have to have 4 homegrown players for CL, but if we don't we can only name 21 players if you get me.... So we have Hart and Richards for sure, so we could name 23 and leave 2 stops for homegrown players.

We need 8 players trained in England between the ages of 17-21 in the Premier League and that's covered with:

Hart
Taylor
Richards
Lescott
Barry
Milner
Johnson
Boyata

Probably a few more too.

I wouldn't worry too much, we'll be all set.

Does Hart count as homegrown for us? I'd have though he would be registered as developed by Shrewsbury?

And Boyata has gone out on loan, so he won't be contributing to any of the squads (plus he's still U21)

 

[lancs blue]

We don't even have Logan to fill up a spot this time, will we give Bellamy a spot if he refuses to go and Bridge if we can't find someone to take him?

I think we'll have to, I'm sure the rules say you're not allowed to have any empty spots in the 25 if you've got enough players to fill it.

You don't have to name 25 players, Liverpool didn't last season, they were 3 or 4 short IIRC.

Balo and Savic are not covered by the U-21 clause for the CL as they aren't home grown and will be named in the main squad.

 

[Project]

Assuming Balotelli doesn't count because of his age (does he?)

1. Hart (HG)
2. Pantilimon
3. Taylor (HG)
4. Richards (HG)
5. Zabaleta
6. Kompany
7. Lescott (HG)
8. Savic
9. Kolo Toure
10. Clichy (HG)
11. Kolarov
12. Johnson (HG)
13. Milner (HG)
14. Barry (HG)
15. De Jong
16. Yaya Toure
17. Silva
18. Nasri
19. Tevez
20. Dzeko
21. Aguero

That's all I can think of with SWP leaving and others out or not in plans.

22. Hargreaves
23.
24.
25.

We don't even have Logan to fill up a spot this time, will we give Bellamy a spot if he refuses to go and Bridge if we can't find someone to take him?

Savic is also under 21 so that is another space.

Hopefully people finally understand when Mancini says he needs more players to fill out the squad. It isn't out of greed. We are genuinely lean. If we had 5 or so players from the EDS who could drop in and do a job from time to time we would be fine. Like United had with Welbeck, the Da Silva's etc a few years ago. And Arsenal with Frimpong, Gibbs etc. Razak perhaps, but Suarez and Rekik are still very raw.

 

[gmtx]

We don't even have Logan to fill up a spot this time, will we give Bellamy a spot if he refuses to go and Bridge if we can't find someone to take him?

I think we'll have to, I'm sure the rules say you're not allowed to have any empty spots in the 25 if you've got enough players to fill it.

You don't have to name 25 players, Liverpool didn't last season, they were 3 or 4 short IIRC.

Balo and Savic are not covered by the U-21 clause for the CL as they aren't home grown and will be named in the main squad.

yeh but thats because they didnt actually have enough over 21 players to fill the 25 slots. If you have 25 or more over 21s then you have to fill all 25 slots, if not then you can leave a few empty like Liverpool did

 

[lancs blue]

I think we'll have to, I'm sure the rules say you're not allowed to have any empty spots in the 25 if you've got enough players to fill it.

You don't have to name 25 players, Liverpool didn't last season, they were 3 or 4 short IIRC.

Balo and Savic are not covered by the U-21 clause for the CL as they aren't home grown and will be named in the main squad.

yeh but thats because they didnt actually have enough over 21 players to fill the 25 slots. If you have 25 or more over 21s then you have to fill all 25 slots, if not then you can leave a few empty like Liverpool did

By that logic if we don't have 25 over 21s we'd have to name Bridge or Bellamy in the squad if they're still here but we won't! The 25 is a maximum not a compulsory number.

 

[gmtx]

You don't have to name 25 players, Liverpool didn't last season, they were 3 or 4 short IIRC.

Balo and Savic are not covered by the U-21 clause for the CL as they aren't home grown and will be named in the main squad.

yeh but thats because they didnt actually have enough over 21 players to fill the 25 slots. If you have 25 or more over 21s then you have to fill all 25 slots, if not then you can leave a few empty like Liverpool did

By that logic if we don't have 25 over 21s we'd have to name Bridge or Bellamy in the squad if they're still here but we won't! The 25 is a maximum not a compulsory number.

That's exactly what I'm saying, we WILL have to name Bridge or Bellamy in our 25 if they don't leave. The same situation happened last season when we had to name Logan in our 25 even though he had no chance of playing.

 

[kennycar]

yeh but thats because they didnt actually have enough over 21 players to fill the 25 slots. If you have 25 or more over 21s then you have to fill all 25 slots, if not then you can leave a few empty like Liverpool did

By that logic if we don't have 25 over 21s we'd have to name Bridge or Bellamy in the squad if they're still here but we won't! The 25 is a maximum not a compulsory number.

That's exactly what I'm saying, we WILL have to name Bridge or Bellamy in our 25 if they don't leave. The same situation happened last season when we had to name Logan in our 25 even though he had no chance of playing.

correct, if you have players eligible for the 25 man squad and spaces on the 25 man squad, they must be named on it.

-- Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:03 pm --

Champions league 25 man squad is going to be slightly more difficult, as we only have 1 "club trained" player in Richards certain to be named, (maybe Onuoha, SWP? Hart does not qualify as he came when he was 19, therefore 2 years before he was 21 instead of the required 3) which brings our squad down to 22. What is more, the rules for under 21's is different to the premier league rules as they have to have been at the club for two years or more, so Balotelli and Savic will need to be named in the 25.

-- Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:48 pm --

Here are our squads as they currently stand.

Premier League

1. Hart (HG)
2. Pantilimon
3. Taylor (HG)
4. Richards (HG)
5. Zabaleta
6. Kompany
7. Lescott (HG)
8. Bridge (HG)
9. Kolo Toure
10. Clichy (HG)
11. Kolarov
12. Johnson (HG)
13. Milner (HG)
14. Barry (HG)
15. De Jong
16. Yaya Toure
17. Silva
18. Nasri
19. Tevez
20. Dzeko
21. Aguero
22. Bellamy (HG)
23. Onuoha (HG)
24. SWP (HG)
25.

Champions League

1. Hart (AT)
2. Pantilimon
3. Taylor (AT)
4. Richards (CT)
5. Zabaleta
6. Kompany
7. Lescott (AT)
8. Bridge (AT)
9. Kolo Toure
10. Clichy (AT)
11. Kolarov
12. Johnson (AT)
13. Milner (AT)
14. Barry (AT)
15. De Jong
16. Yaya Toure
17. Silva
18. Nasri
19. Tevez
20. Dzeko
21. Aguero
22. Bellamy (AT)
23. Onuoha (CT)
24. SWP (CT)
25. Balotelli
26. Savic

(HG): Homegrown
(AT): Association Trained
(CT): Club Trained

PL rules: 8 spots for HG players and 17 spots for HG or non-HG players. Unlimited U21's. Players eligible for 25 man squad must be named if there are spaces available.

CL rules: 4 spots for CT players, 4 spots for CT or AT players and 17 spots for CT, AT or non-CT, non-AT players. Unlimited U21's that have been at the club for at least 2 years.

(We need only name 3 GK's as rules are in place to allow us to draft in replacements in both competitions should they get injured)

As we only have 3 club trained players we are limited to a squad of 24 in the CL therefore we would need to drop two (non-CT) players, Bellamy and Bridge are the obvious choices. But should we add another player to our squad, say Hargreaves, then an established player will need to be dropped.

 

[bzekosilva]

balotelli is 21 now too :)

 

[kennycar]

balotelli is 21 now too :)

The rules for U21 this year are "born on or after 1st Jan 1990" ie. as long as they don't turn 22 before the following new year they are under 21.

 

[Rammyblues]

My understanding is for CL squad Balotelli and Savic although meet the requirement re under 21 don not meet the requirement that they have been at our club for 2 years therefore have to be included in the A list. Means if SWP stays and Hargreaves signs we have reached our limit of 24 players maximum, because the other space available can only be awarded to a club trained player such as Ned who Mancini has already stated won't play for the team. If SWP leaves we will only have a squad of 23 A list players. For Prem it is different and Balotelli and Savic need not be included because the extra requirement of having to be at our club for two years is not part of the regulations. It also seems to me that Bert will have identical squads for each and bearing in mind the CL squad is the more difficult to fulfil that will be the squad for both, but with the only exception being Taylor will be able to play in prem but not in CL. Just my opinion.

 

[bzekosilva]

balotelli is 21 now too :)

The rules for U21 this year are "born on or after 1st Jan 1990" ie. as long as they don't turn 22 before the following new year they are under 21.

blimey.... lol