31 | Ederson - 2024/25

[King Jay]

The thing I can't accept is that he was at Benfica. He played for them for 15 months and there's highlight reels of him making great save after great save.

He's a worse player than when we bought him at 22.

„ highlights reels“ .

 

[domalino]

„ highlights reels“ .

I remember watching them live, he was pulling off incredible saves every game. The Champions League game against Pep's Bayern was ridiculous.

 

[SWP's back]

The thing I can't accept is that he was at Benfica. He played for them for 15 months and there's highlight reels of him making great save after great save.

He's a worse player than when we bought him at 22.

He can’t even pass out now which was his thing. Sad to see in all honesty.

 

[jamielowndes]

Keepers are a crazy bunch and Eddie is definitely one of them. When he’s good he’s the best. I love him and wouldn’t swap him for anyone.

Agree he’s the worst penalty keeper in history.

David De Gea conceding 11 and missing the decider in a cup final would like a word.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

As has already been said, if his passing/distribution has gone then the games up. Whilst nobody can be certain, obviously, but I’m not convinced that he saves that shot from Son last season and, I reckon, if Eddie and Alison had swapped clubs at the start of the season we’d be a lot closer to them and be qualified in the CL.

 

[ninjamonkey]

As has already been said, if his passing/distribution has gone then the games up. Whilst nobody can be certain, obviously, but I’m not convinced that he saves that shot from Son last season and, I reckon, if Eddie and Alison had swapped clubs at the start of the season we’d be a lot closer to them and be qualified in the CL.

Same Allison who as of last week, has apparently conceded 9 of his last 15 shots since coming back from injury? Same people wrongly slamming ederson would be laying into him even more with that kind of ratio

No point getting into a lengthy debate because we obviously disagree. He's extremely slow to react to both goals and that's why he doesn't get close. Better keepers on the top of their game get their for me and make something happen. It's what top players do. The saves he made later in the game were basics and frankly irrelevant when the games already lost.

How could he have reacted any quicker for their third? Ederson is exactly where he should be as the ball comes in, he cannot move over until the ball had cleared those in the middle or he knew for certain it was going over them, stones goes for it, It's impossible to be able to say that's going to get to the far post without a touch so he cannot move over any more until it does. Once it does go beyond stones, it's headed downward and into the far botton corner in a blink of an eye, no keeper is saving it. I doubt you'd find any pundit criticising edersons role in that.

The saves he made were not basic, there was some very good saves in there. One down to his left to keep out i think dembele who cut in and tried to catch him out going to the near post was a superb save as was the one from about 6 yards 1v1 with an outstretched arm after they played it through a gap.

dismissing them saves as irrelevant because we ultimately lost is just silly. If haaland bangs in a hattrick from 4 shots in a game that we lose 4-3 are we labelling his goals and contribution irrelevant because the team couldn't defend and blaming him for not scoring 4?

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Same Allison who as of last week, has apparently conceded 9 of his last 15 shots since coming back from injury? Same people wrongly slamming ederson would be laying into him even more with that kind of ratio



How could he have reacted any quicker for their third? Ederson is exactly where he should be as the ball comes in, he cannot move over until the ball had cleared those in the middle or he knew for certain it was going over them, stones goes for it, It's impossible to be able to say that's going to get to the far post without a touch so he cannot move over any more until it does. Once it does go beyond stones, it's headed downward and into the far botton corner in a blink of an eye, no keeper is saving it. I doubt you'd find any pundit criticising edersons role in that.

The saves he made were not basic, there was some very good saves in there. One down to his left to keep out i think dembele who cut in and tried to catch him out going to the near post was a superb save as was the one from about 6 yards 1v1 with an outstretched arm after they played it through a gap.

dismissing them saves as irrelevant because we ultimately lost is just silly. If haaland bangs in a hattrick from 4 shots in a game that we lose 4-3 are we labelling his goals and contribution irrelevant because the team couldn't defend and blaming him for not scoring 4?

There are 23 keepers who’ve played 8 or more PL games this season (I’ve chosen 8 because in then includes Ortega).
If you list those 23 by % of saves made, Ortega is 6th and Allison is 8th, behind the likes of Sanchez, Raya and Sels.
Eddie comes 20th only behind Sa at Wolves, Areola at West Ham and, perhaps surprisingly, Martinez at Villa.

I know stats can’t tell you everything but it does suggest he might do better.

 

[Mcfc_110]

Same Allison who as of last week, has apparently conceded 9 of his last 15 shots since coming back from injury? Same people wrongly slamming ederson would be laying into him even more with that kind of ratio



How could he have reacted any quicker for their third? Ederson is exactly where he should be as the ball comes in, he cannot move over until the ball had cleared those in the middle or he knew for certain it was going over them, stones goes for it, It's impossible to be able to say that's going to get to the far post without a touch so he cannot move over any more until it does. Once it does go beyond stones, it's headed downward and into the far botton corner in a blink of an eye, no keeper is saving it. I doubt you'd find any pundit criticising edersons role in that.

The saves he made were not basic, there was some very good saves in there. One down to his left to keep out i think dembele who cut in and tried to catch him out going to the near post was a superb save as was the one from about 6 yards 1v1 with an outstretched arm after they played it through a gap.

dismissing them saves as irrelevant because we ultimately lost is just silly. If haaland bangs in a hattrick from 4 shots in a game that we lose 4-3 are we labelling his goals and contribution irrelevant because the team couldn't defend and blaming him for not scoring 4?

It's all opinions mate, the fact it isn't just my opinion that thinks he could have done better or your opinion that thinks there's nothing he could do probably says it all. As I've said I can understand why people think there's not much more he can do so I get your point.

On the saves towards the end I think any top level keeper should be making them, might be a high bar to say that but that's our level.

If haaland scores 3 goals when a games already lost and he missed 2 sitters to put us in the lead earlier in said game then those 3 goals are irrelevant to the end result of that game. Irrelevant is probably strong but it's under the "it's a bit late" category in my eyes.

Again though we're not going to get anywhere going over the same points, so probably best to just leave it there and agree to disagree?

 

[ninjamonkey]

There are 23 keepers who’ve played 8 or more PL games this season (I’ve chosen 8 because in then includes Ortega).
If you list those 23 by % of saves made, Ortega is 6th and Allison is 8th, behind the likes of Sanchez, Raya and Sels.
Eddie comes 20th only behind Sa at Wolves, Areola at West Ham and, perhaps surprisingly, Martinez at Villa.

I know stats can’t tell you everything but it does suggest he might do better.

The stat on its own is pointless though. Tells us nothing without accompanying data. I know this is extreme example but if a keeper faces 10 efforts from 45 yards straight at the keeper and he basicslly just picks the ball up and another keeper makes 5/10 world class saves from 10 yards out of which he has no right getting to any, the data used in your analysis will show the keeper that picked the ball up is making twice as many saves and with just that information presented to us, we'd be making inaccurate assumptions. That's how easily it's skewed and how meaningless it is in isolation. Martinez being bottom and Sanchez being top are big indicators it's useless data.

It's all opinions mate, the fact it isn't just my opinion that thinks he could have done better or your opinion that thinks there's nothing he could do probably says it all. As I've said I can understand why people think there's not much more he can do so I get your point.

On the saves towards the end I think any top level keeper should be making them, might be a high bar to say that but that's our level.

If haaland scores 3 goals when a games already lost and he missed 2 sitters to put us in the lead earlier in said game then those 3 goals are irrelevant to the end result of that game. Irrelevant is probably strong but it's under the "it's a bit late" category in my eyes.

Again though we're not going to get anywhere going over the same points, so probably best to just leave it there and agree to disagree?

Yeah we can agree to disagree on most of it mate, certainly not trying to suggest you can't have a differing opinion or railroad you into agreeing with me, I'm fine with you not agreeing, it won't descend into any kind of argument and we don't need to continuously go back and forth I just genuinely wondered what exactly you felt Ederson didn't do for the third that's all.

you say he didn't react quickly enough but when specifically was he slow in reacting? All conventional goalkeeping coaches will tell you the keeper can't move over any further until the ball has cleared those infront posing a danger to the front post or until he can at least be sure it's completely out of reach of those players, I'd guess you don't have any objection to that idea? Assuming that's the case, that gives him like half a second to react once it goes beyond Stones' attempt to head it and he does shift over in that time, I'm just not seeing where he's slow.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

The stat on its own is pointless though. Tells us nothing without accompanying data. I know this is extreme example but if a keeper faces 10 efforts from 45 yards straight at the keeper and he basicslly just picks the ball up and another keeper makes 5/10 world class saves from 10 yards out of which he has no right getting to any, the data used in your analysis will show the keeper that picked the ball up is making twice as many saves and with just that information presented to us, we'd be making inaccurate assumptions. That's how easily it's skewed and how meaningless it is in isolation. Martinez being bottom and Sanchez being top are big indicators it's useless data.



Yeah we can agree to disagree on most of it mate, certainly not trying to suggest you can't have a differing opinion or railroad you into agreeing with me, I'm fine with you not agreeing, it won't descend into any kind of argument and we don't need to continuously go back and forth I just genuinely wondered what exactly you felt Ederson didn't do for the third that's all.

you say he didn't react quickly enough but when specifically was he slow in reacting? All conventional goalkeeping coaches will tell you the keeper can't move over any further until the ball has cleared those infront posing a danger to the front post or until he can at least be sure it's completely out of reach of those players, I'd guess you don't have any objection to that idea? Assuming that's the case, that gives him like half a second to react once it goes beyond Stones' attempt to head it and he does shift over in that time, I'm just not seeing where he's slow.

Indeed, the stat is pretty meaningless. The comparison with Ortega is interesting though. Eddie has faced 50 shots on target and has saved 32 of them whilst Ortega has faced 34 shots on target and has saved 24 of them.

I suppose, forgetting personnel for a minute, the most perplexing stat is that, in a table of fewest shots on target faced, a metric we always used to be top of, we’ve down dropped massively to THIRD.

So we face the third fewest shots on target but have conceded the ninth fewest goals, which is definitely an issue.

 

[jamielowndes]

His passing went to shit in the 2nd half, but there's no way I'm pinning any of those goals on him. Defence was shambolic.

 

[sir baconface]

Gone in January I reckon.

No fkn chance.

 

[kaz7]

The defenders are injured , playing injured and or comp!etely out of form and burned out , we dont have the well oiled machine with eddie and a stable defence where everyone shows for the ball and can play out

What is wrong with peop!e that they cant understand this ffs

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

The defenders are injured , playing injured and or comp!etely out of form and burned out , we dont have the well oiled machine with eddie and a stable defence where everyone shows for the ball and can play out

What is wrong with peop!e that they cant understand this ffs

I know you like Ederson, I do too. But I don't think his heart is at City anymore and hasn't been since that strop when he stormed off the pitch (can't remember which game) I think he's still sulking from not going to Saudi. If that transpires to be the case we should let him go next summer, but meanwhile, we should be looking for another keeper who can play out from the back, save average shots and pens.

Eddie's best attribute is his calmness in the box and his distribution, although I think it's gradually getting worse. He's become an average to good keeper all round but he's terrible at saving pens.

 

[Dawsenna]

New contract now.

 

[jamielowndes]

Like a lot of others, he's starting to look like himself again. Glad to see it.

 

[chris85mcfc]

Had nothing to do, but basically set up two goals at the other end

 

[St.Pauli support]

In those open matches and Haaland+Marmoush up front Eddie's long passes are pure gold.

I prefer Stefan as pure shotstopper, meanwhile I feel it doesn't make much difference who starts, both quite even.

But these long balls - King Eddie!!

 

[ninjamonkey]

Because nobody has stepped up yet i'll do it for all the weirdo's,

1st shot on target and they scored. Get rid...

 

[sh249]

Bit of a reminder of just how good he is with the ball.