5 | John Stones - 2024/25

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Can’t believe any blue would like this post

Its nonsense and not sourced, same as the West Ham rumours

He isn’t going anywhere
Because no-one will touch him for the money he’s on and a transfer fee.

He has shown himself to be BRILLIANT when he plays, but WHEN DOES HE PLAY???

He seems incapable of a run of games and it’s been this way for years.

When he’s on it, there’s no-one better, but…

Premier League
• 2016-17: 27 appearances
• 2017-18: 18 appearances
• 2018-19: 24 appearances
• 2019-20: 16 appearances
• 2020-21: 22 appearances
• 2021-22: 14 appearances
• 2022-23: 23 appearances
• 2023-24: 16 appearances
• 2024-25: 11 appearances, with 3 to go.

And yet people talk about KDB as unreliable and needs to go???

I don’t get the love affair blindness!
 
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Because no-one will touch him for the money he’s on and a transfer fee.

He has shown himself to be BRILLIANT when he plays, but WHEN DOES HE PLAY???

He seems incapable of a run of games and it’s been this way for years.

When he’s on it, there’s no-one better, but…

Premier League
• 2016-17: 27 appearances
• 2017-18: 18 appearances
• 2018-19: 24 appearances
• 2019-20: 16 appearances
• 2020-21: 22 appearances
• 2021-22: 14 appearances
• 2022-23: 23 appearances
• 2023-24: 16 appearances
• 2024-25: 11 appearances, with 3 to go.

And yet people talk about KDB is unreliable and needs to go???

I don’t get the love affair blindness!
Those stats are damming CB and highlights how well our cover has been to achieve what we did achieve throughout his time with us to date and in particular the 4 on the spin years.

Most sides at least those wishing to and capable of challenging for honors could not afford to carry a prime defender for that period of time and still come up trumps , its just not feasible but we did it and in time we shall see just how incredible our achievements during his time playing less that 50 per cent of the games year in year out were.

You wonder if Liverpool would have won two titles certainly not nearly as much points wise if VVD had those appearance numbers in the relevant years and I think you don't have to wonder too deeply.
 
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Because no-one will touch him for the money he’s on and a transfer fee.

He has shown himself to be BRILLIANT when he plays, but WHEN DOES HE PLAY???

He seems incapable of a run of games and it’s been this way for years.

When he’s on it, there’s no-one better, but…

Premier League
• 2016-17: 27 appearances
• 2017-18: 18 appearances
• 2018-19: 24 appearances
• 2019-20: 16 appearances
• 2020-21: 22 appearances
• 2021-22: 14 appearances
• 2022-23: 23 appearances
• 2023-24: 16 appearances
• 2024-25: 11 appearances, with 3 to go.

And yet people talk about KDB is unreliable and needs to go???

I don’t get the love affair blindness!

And all the other competition appearances aside from PL?

There have been many, many games in which JS fit, just not played. That occurred last season, and multiple other seasons.

We can all use stats however we like.

The games he plays are significant.

Notable that City are SHITE when he is not playing regularly and again, that is not just fitness.

A fit AND playing JS = Titles.

Thats it. The end.
 
And all the other competition appearances aside from PL?

There have been many, many games in which JS fit, just not played. That occurred last season, and multiple other seasons.

We can all use stats however we like.

The games he plays are significant.

Notable that City are SHITE when he is not playing regularly and again, that is not just fitness.

A fit AND playing JS = Titles.

Thats it. The end.
Great anecdotes. Well done.

I wasn’t “using stats,” I was showing how many times he’s played in the most important, week-in, week-out competition, not the games where we play the kids.

“A fit and playing JS = Titles”???
You are merely highlighting the problem, then creating a false result! The whole point is that he HASN’T been fit and playing…YET we still won titles!!!

I like him as a player. He’s a great ball playing defender who can move forward with the ball. WE ALL KNOW THIS. His problem is that he can’t stay fit and put together a run of games to highlight his abilities and help the team…all while pulling down about $10-15M a year!

If he was a car, he’d be a lemon. If he was an appliance, he would be considered “not fit for purpose!” If you had an expensive anything that only worked half the time, you’d want your money back!

All I’m saying is that his skills are too often dancing, cracking jokes and playing for a laugh, not performing his silky football for the team.
 
Because no-one will touch him for the money he’s on and a transfer fee.

He has shown himself to be BRILLIANT when he plays, but WHEN DOES HE PLAY???

He seems incapable of a run of games and it’s been this way for years.

When he’s on it, there’s no-one better, but…

Premier League
• 2016-17: 27 appearances
• 2017-18: 18 appearances
• 2018-19: 24 appearances
• 2019-20: 16 appearances
• 2020-21: 22 appearances
• 2021-22: 14 appearances
• 2022-23: 23 appearances
• 2023-24: 16 appearances
• 2024-25: 11 appearances, with 3 to go.

And yet people talk about KDB as unreliable and needs to go???

I don’t get the love affair blindness!
Time to move him on. No more free rides
 
Because no-one will touch him for the money he’s on and a transfer fee.

He has shown himself to be BRILLIANT when he plays, but WHEN DOES HE PLAY???

He seems incapable of a run of games and it’s been this way for years.

When he’s on it, there’s no-one better, but…

Premier League
• 2016-17: 27 appearances
• 2017-18: 18 appearances
• 2018-19: 24 appearances
• 2019-20: 16 appearances
• 2020-21: 22 appearances
• 2021-22: 14 appearances
• 2022-23: 23 appearances
• 2023-24: 16 appearances
• 2024-25: 11 appearances, with 3 to go.

And yet people talk about KDB as unreliable and needs to go???

I don’t get the love affair blindness!
That works out at approx 50% of the time he plays ... or 50% of the time he doesn`t. Not looking good John Boy and I`m a big fan.
 
Can’t believe any blue would like this post

Its nonsense and not sourced, same as the West Ham rumours

He isn’t going anywhere
I don’t know how you can say that. John Stones is a magnificent footballer but he’s always injured.

Injuries cost us the league this year and if we are to get back to our best we need players we can rely on and can’t afford passengers. Given that the Club have already demonstrated their ruthlessness with the KDB decision, don’t be surprised if Stones and Ake (another brilliant player who is unfortunately made of glass) go.
 
That works out at approx 50% of the time he plays ... or 50% of the time he doesn`t. Not looking good John Boy and I`m a big fan.
I know…and I like the player, but this is business, the club, the team, FFP, PSR, and all that modern football entails.

I played at a decent level, but I was a bit injury prone, so I knew I was probably never going to make it and stayed in school. EVERYONE thought I was a fool for turning down a pro deal at Leeds, but my father had been a pro and I’d seen the scrap heap of has beens and might have beens, and I wanted better for myself. I couldn’t stomach the thought of playing for Mossley in my early 30s and then having to try to rebuild a life!

I was a big and fast center forward, and prone to leg muscle strains. Sure enough, the end was a quad tear after taking a piledriver of a shot. It wasn’t meant to be for me, but I’m all the better for it!

John Stones has become a multi-millionaire that will never have to work another day in his life from tomorrow, if he so chooses, so I can’t shed a tear for him. However, he has been to the mountain top, seen the view, and clearly liked it, so wants to hold onto it. Who wouldn’t?!

But, from the perspective of a club trying to win 4 or more trophies every year, which needs fit and healthy players to play regularly, he is simply not a good business proposition anymore…regardless of how much one might like him.

When fit, he seems like a shoo-in to start, but therein lies the problem. He is simply not someone the club can rely on to build around and we have just bought a couple of new young, talented defenders, one of whom looks to be a Mini-Me in the making of Stones, so they need to be brought through.

Sadly, he’s probably not the only defender we need to move on, and they’ll all be missed for their qualities when fit and healthy.
 
Not at all. It’s not a major concern to have a player out injured when the rest of the squad is fit. What has happened this season is that a lot of key players have been long term injured at the same time meaning that at times we have struggled to put a competitive team on the pitch.

I think this has shown the Club that we need players we can rely on and that we can’t afford to carry the perpetual sick notes such as Stones and Ake. Don’t get me wrong, I’d be gutted to see them go, but it simply makes sense.
 
Not at all. It’s not a major concern to have a player out injured when the rest of the squad is fit. What has happened this season is that a lot of key players have been long term injured at the same time meaning that at times we have struggled to put a competitive team on the pitch.

I think this has shown the Club that we need players we can rely on and that we can’t afford to carry the perpetual sick notes such as Stones and Ake. Don’t get me wrong, I’d be gutted to see them go, but it simply makes sense.

Are you sure you reply to the right post :)
 
When fit, he seems like a shoo-in to start

Stones was fit in the last 5-6 weeks of last season and Pep didn't start him even though we had to win the last 9 games to win 4-in-a row.

He's been magnificent in some seasons but anyone who thinks he has been more important than Dias is arguably wrong.

When the chips were down last season Pep went with Akanji... Actions speak louder than words. Not saying the latter is better or as good, but the difference in class between them is overstated. Stones is better in that hybrid CB/DM role, Akanji is more versatile (played RB vs Bayern and LB vs Madrid in the Treble season!) and is much fitter. Akanji made the Euro's team last summer even though his team didn't get past the quarters...
 
No one is going to buy him with his injury record and salary. Like Aguero and KDB the club will let his contract run down and he'll leave next year for free. We've had his best years, he's been an incredible player for us and hopefully can be managed next campaign so he's available for the key fixtures because he is world class. He doesn't get the plaudits he deserves, possibly due to his injury record. His performance in that CB/DM hybrid role were absolutely sensational. He was one of the few that were on their game in the FA Cup final and CL final in our treble year. He completed the most dribbles in a CL final since Messi - a fucking CB!
 
No one is going to buy him with his injury record and salary. Like Aguero and KDB the club will let his contract run down and he'll leave next year for free. We've had his best years, he's been an incredible player for us and hopefully can be managed next campaign so he's available for the key fixtures because he is world class. He doesn't get the plaudits he deserves, possibly due to his injury record. His performance in that CB/DM hybrid role were absolutely sensational. He was one of the few that were on their game in the FA Cup final and CL final in our treble year. He completed the most dribbles in a CL final since Messi - a fucking CB!
Agree with every word Blue. He's one of the best in the world when fit, which unfortunately is getting less frequent. :-(
 
Stones was fit in the last 5-6 weeks of last season and Pep didn't start him even though we had to win the last 9 games to win 4-in-a row.

He's been magnificent in some seasons but anyone who thinks he has been more important than Dias is arguably wrong.

When the chips were down last season Pep went with Akanji... Actions speak louder than words. Not saying the latter is better or as good, but the difference in class between them is overstated. Stones is better in that hybrid CB/DM role, Akanji is more versatile (played RB vs Bayern and LB vs Madrid in the Treble season!) and is much fitter. Akanji made the Euro's team last summer even though his team didn't get past the quarters...
Importance and ability are different. While Ruben has been important, he isn’t half the footballer Sir John Stones is.

If his body was more durable I’ve no doubt he’d be the best CB at the club.
 
Importance and ability are different. While Ruben has been important, he isn’t half the footballer Sir John Stones is.

If his body was more durable I’ve no doubt he’d be the best CB at the club.

If this, if that... Hypothetical scenarios are not much of an argument.

Dias's first season was better than any season Stones has had. At the time Dias was regarded as one of the very best CBs in the world, say, top 3. We won 4 titles in a row with Dias being a constant feature in the team while Stones being in and out of the team even when fit, like in April and May last year (actually, mostly on the bench).
 
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