M18CTID said:sld said:not many from immediate competitors
Oh right - I didn't realise that clubs were only allowed to sign players from teams that either a) Are far inferior, or b) Are far better.
Aston Villa are a direct competitor of ours, but I don't seem to recall their manager complaining about our club when we signed Gareth Barry from them. That signing was completed with a minimum of fuss, and while it understandably left a sour taste in the mouths of some Villa fans, most of them haven't stooped to the levels of bitterness and hatred that Everton fans have. I'll exclude Gwladiator from that of course - he seems a decent enough bloke.
M18CTID said:Didsbury Dave said:That's actually bang on the money mate. Fair play.
He negotiated very hard, that's all he did. The "questionable" part was him publically decrying City's "lack of class" or whatever he said. On more than one occasion.
That's why he's not popular amongst City fans. He shouldn't have done that.
Exactly. When all this was happening last summer I never wavered from saying that I don't blame Everton and Moyes for holding out for the highest possible price.
However, there was a big no need for his comments in the press at the time about our so-called lack of class (and then laughably saying Chelsea go about their business better). To then follow that up months later with his comments in the programme notes prior to their fixture with us in January simply smacked of a very bitter man. I'd love to know what "rules" we broke when signing Lescott, and why hasn't he made an official complaint?
M18CTID said:sld said:not many from immediate competitors
Oh right - I didn't realise that clubs were only allowed to sign players from teams that either a) Are far inferior, or b) Are far better.
Aston Villa are a direct competitor of ours, but I don't seem to recall their manager complaining about our club when we signed Gareth Barry from them. That signing was completed with a minimum of fuss, and while it understandably left a sour taste in the mouths of some Villa fans, most of them haven't stooped to the levels of bitterness and hatred that Everton fans have. I'll exclude Gwladiator from that of course - he seems a decent enough bloke.
scouse toffee said:M18CTID said:Exactly. When all this was happening last summer I never wavered from saying that I don't blame Everton and Moyes for holding out for the highest possible price.
However, there was a big no need for his comments in the press at the time about our so-called lack of class (and then laughably saying Chelsea go about their business better). To then follow that up months later with his comments in the programme notes prior to their fixture with us in January simply smacked of a very bitter man. I'd love to know what "rules" we broke when signing Lescott, and why hasn't he made an official complaint?
Badgering or tapping a player is not legal
sld said:M18CTID said:Oh right - I didn't realise that clubs were only allowed to sign players from teams that either a) Are far inferior, or b) Are far better.
Aston Villa are a direct competitor of ours, but I don't seem to recall their manager complaining about our club when we signed Gareth Barry from them. That signing was completed with a minimum of fuss, and while it understandably left a sour taste in the mouths of some Villa fans, most of them haven't stooped to the levels of bitterness and hatred that Everton fans have. I'll exclude Gwladiator from that of course - he seems a decent enough bloke.
Again, I didn't say anything to contrary of what you said. Who or what point are you arguing with?
Me personally, I don't miss Lescott one bit. Got good money for Worf. Proved himself to be a ****. Heitinga is more than an able replacement.
Although from another angle. Lescott was not for sale. Barry pretty much was. Hughes did unsettle Lescott. That was not behaviour to be proud of and it could be classed as tapping up.
Sheikh Rattle n Roll said:I must admit that along with West Ham, I have a soft spot for Everton, although that has been tested in the last year by their twat of a Manager!
scouse toffee said:M18CTID said:Exactly. When all this was happening last summer I never wavered from saying that I don't blame Everton and Moyes for holding out for the highest possible price.
However, there was a big no need for his comments in the press at the time about our so-called lack of class (and then laughably saying Chelsea go about their business better). To then follow that up months later with his comments in the programme notes prior to their fixture with us in January simply smacked of a very bitter man. I'd love to know what "rules" we broke when signing Lescott, and why hasn't he made an official complaint?
Badgering or tapping a player is not legal
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M18CTID said:Oh right - I didn't realise that clubs were only allowed to sign players from teams that either a) Are far inferior, or b) Are far better.
Aston Villa are a direct competitor of ours, but I don't seem to recall their manager complaining about our club when we signed Gareth Barry from them. That signing was completed with a minimum of fuss, and while it understandably left a sour taste in the mouths of some Villa fans, most of them haven't stooped to the levels of bitterness and hatred that Everton fans have. I'll exclude Gwladiator from that of course - he seems a decent enough bloke.
The point is Moyes declared he wasn't for sale and did not want to sell but city kept saying we're monitoring the situation and hopefully we will get our man..then Lescott comes out and asks for a move and makes a **** of Moyes..at the time i thought Moyes was trying to make a stance like one I've never seen before and applauded him for having the bottle to take on something that needs addressing..players contracts
sld said:Sheikh Rattle n Roll said:What has immediate competitors got to do with it?..... you are banging on about breaking law abiding contracts that both parties agreed to.... were Andrew Johnson and Joleon Lescott under contract at their previous Clubs?
Excuse me
I'm not banging on about anything. In fact that was my first input.
For the record, Moyes, Lescott and Hughes all behaved like bellends last summer.
Sheikh Rattle n Roll said:sld said:Excuse me
I'm not banging on about anything. In fact that was my first input.
For the record, Moyes, Lescott and Hughes all behaved like bellends last summer.
When I say banging on about it, maybe I chose the wrong word to use. You are in fact maybe being hypocritical in your view, as Everton, as well as all other Clubs, have purchased Players over the years who have been under contract, e.g. Lescott at Wolves, and in looking at Managers, Moyes at Preston. I am not being hypocritical, because I know City do it and have had it done to them in the past with certain Players, Shaun Wright Phillips being our prime example when he went to Chelsea.
sld said:Sheikh Rattle n Roll said:When I say banging on about it, maybe I chose the wrong word to use. You are in fact maybe being hypocritical in your view, as Everton, as well as all other Clubs, have purchased Players over the years who have been under contract, e.g. Lescott at Wolves, and in looking at Managers, Moyes at Preston. I am not being hypocritical, because I know City do it and have had it done to them in the past with certain Players, Shaun Wright Phillips being our prime example when he went to Chelsea.
yeah of course but usually with agreement between the two boards.
Everton didn't want to sell.
City kept pushing it until Lescott was unsettled and asked for a transfer. Everton were not going to let him leave gracefully as they would have owed him compensation under stupid footballing contracts. Once he asked for a transfer after being successfully unsettled by Hughes, that was it really. It was a case for holding out for the best deal.
Neither club behaved itself.
But I don't care. That's football these days. It's a big pile of shit.
Sheikh Rattle n Roll said:sld said:yeah of course but usually with agreement between the two boards.
Everton didn't want to sell.
City kept pushing it until Lescott was unsettled and asked for a transfer. Everton were not going to let him leave gracefully as they would have owed him compensation under stupid footballing contracts. Once he asked for a transfer after being successfully unsettled by Hughes, that was it really. It was a case for holding out for the best deal.
Neither club behaved itself.
But I don't care. That's football these days. It's a big pile of shit.
Good point about the contract and compensation if Lescott hadn't asked for a transfer, which I agree is a joke in cases like this one. I think the big problem we City fans have with Moyes, is that he reminds us of old Baconface at The Swamp, hence there being such hatred towards him. If he hadn't whinged in The Press so much about City, there would be less hatred.
Regardless of the hatred towards him, there is no dispute that he has done a brilliant job at Everton, but what will you do if/when The World's Biggest Team (Trademark) come calling in the next couple of years?
Matty said:I don't mind Everton, as a club. Their manager on the other hand is a classless twat built in the same mould as Fergie. He's a ****.
CARTS said:Why do you all hate Moyes so much? Because you got raped over Lescott or what?
BlueBoy2010 said:Moyes won't go to Man Utd. Although a great manager he has won nothing. Mourinho has the Man Utd job