737-8 max plane goes down (2018) - new not Max crash Indonesia

bluethrunthru said:
They are building sub-standard aircraft to substandard examination .........or they are just unlucky ...... which would you risk your life on?
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I've not been involved in aircraft manufacture but have some experience with submarines and missiles. The material specs are usually very stringent as is the design and testing of finished components. The component design would often have to be approved by the sub or missile manufacturer ahead of production. Mean-time between failure calculations would be carried out on many parts.
Once installed the system manufacturer would inspect and test their part of the overall item and then there would be further tests of the full sub or missile. There would also be visual inspection checks of the installation at every stage.
With all this in mind I'd suggest Boeing are being unlucky. However there is also the possibility that visual, and other in-service checks are not sufficiently stringent, or that some components are not considered sufficiently crucial to have more frequent or more in depth analysis during service.
Meanwhile does anybody know what type of aircraft flies from Birmingham to Malaga?
 
Southwest Airlines are responsible for the maintenance of the part that fell off. So it could be down to them rather than Boeing.
 
East Level 2 said:
I've not been involved in aircraft manufacture but have some experience with submarines and missiles. The material specs are usually very stringent as is the design and testing of finished components. The component design would often have to be approved by the sub or missile manufacturer ahead of production. Mean-time between failure calculations would be carried out on many parts.
Once installed the system manufacturer would inspect and test their part of the overall item and then there would be further tests of the full sub or missile. There would also be visual inspection checks of the installation at every stage.
With all this in mind I'd suggest Boeing are being unlucky. However there is also the possibility that visual, and other in-service checks are not sufficiently stringent, or that some components are not considered sufficiently crucial to have more frequent or more in depth analysis during service.
Meanwhile does anybody know what type of aircraft flies from Birmingham to Malaga?
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Never been to Boeing however visited the Airbus factory at Toulouse doing delivery inspections on the 350's many times.
Amazing place and watching the aircraft sections coming together is fascinating.
 
East Level 2 said:
I've not been involved in aircraft manufacture but have some experience with submarines and missiles. The material specs are usually very stringent as is the design and testing of finished components. The component design would often have to be approved by the sub or missile manufacturer ahead of production. Mean-time between failure calculations would be carried out on many parts.
Once installed the system manufacturer would inspect and test their part of the overall item and then there would be further tests of the full sub or missile. There would also be visual inspection checks of the installation at every stage.
With all this in mind I'd suggest Boeing are being unlucky. However there is also the possibility that visual, and other in-service checks are not sufficiently stringent, or that some components are not considered sufficiently crucial to have more frequent or more in depth analysis during service.
Meanwhile does anybody know what type of aircraft flies from Birmingham to Malaga?
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Go on Google flights put your flight number in and it’ll show you mate.
 
When I left school I trained as a hydraulic aircraft fitter.
We use to get stuff in from Dan Air or as it was called Dan Dare. I wouldn't set foot on one of their planes !

The components would come in for overhaul well over there hours and we're mostly only fit for the scrap
 
deano ou812 said:
Haven’t a clue about these planes all I know is that Ryanair have some of them,do they use them on domestic flights or are they more for the European flights ?
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Ryanair are the biggest customers for the 737MAX in the world.
They ordered 300 in 2023.
They have told Boeing they will buy any that other airlines have cancelled of the new max10
They use them everywhere.
 
Been on four RyanAir MAX flights in the last four months. They are a bit cramped compared to the earlier 737s and the Airbus A319/A320, but they feel pretty smooth in flight.
 
I've mainly used JET2 the past few times I've flown to Alicante, think its been on these danger planes too. Aside from what seems to be the standard twatting the runaway as hard as possible whilst landing, they've always been okay, as I'm still writing this.
 
bluethrunthru said:
They are building sub-standard aircraft to substandard examination .........or they are just unlucky ...... which would you risk your life on?
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If you're only talking of real risk to life then you're better off not flying anywhere because driving to the airport would be far more dangerous than stepping on any Boeing aircraft.

The media fury is leading us to believe that Boeing aircraft are no longer built 'properly' compared to years ago but this is not really supported by statistics. The fact is less Boeing aircraft flew 20 years ago and more of them crashed whereas today more Boeing aircraft are flying than ever before and very few (if any) will crash.

The fact is it takes a lot to go wrong for an aircraft to crash and more often than not the main factors centre on the pilots and their actions. Accidents almost always happen when a combination of factors come to add together. The quality of the aircraft build is just one factor but it's a very rare one to cause incident nowadays. Unlike previous years aircraft manufacturing quality today only really impacts reliability and not safety.

Boeing failed massively in that the 737MAX did indeed have a design flaw but as with many flaws that flaw could of been mitigated by proper training. Unfortunately however they scrimped on certain aspects of training and nobody identifed that a risk scenario existed which pilots needed to know how to handle. Holes in Swiss cheese.
 
Lowtower said:
I've mainly used JET2 the past few times I've flown to Alicante, think its been on these danger planes too. Aside from what seems to be the standard twatting the runaway as hard as possible whilst landing, they've always been okay, as I'm still writing this.
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Jet2 own none of the MAX series of 737s.
They bought a large number of the previous version not so long ago.
Easyjet have none, their entire fleet is Airbus.
Tui have several.
Ryanair’s entire fleet is nearly 737MAXs.
 
There are at present 1463 MAX flying around the world, 1704 if you include those on order. 2 have crashed and the reason for those crashes has been dealt with. For comparison there have been 4729 Airbus A320s built of which 29 are showing as written off/crashed. The previous version of the B737 had 7114 built of which 19 have been wo/crashed.

I would get on one without any qualms whatsoever-just not a Ryanair one as their anti-union stance was also matched by an anti open reporting regime. A safety oreintated industry relies on a no blame (barring negligence), open reporting system to be truly effective.
 
inbetween said:
If you're only talking of real risk to life then you're better off not flying anywhere because driving to the airport would be far more dangerous than stepping on any Boeing aircraft.

The media fury is leading us to believe that Boeing aircraft are no longer built 'properly' compared to years ago but this is not really supported by statistics. The fact is less Boeing aircraft flew 20 years ago and more of them crashed whereas today more Boeing aircraft are flying than ever before and very few (if any) will crash.

The fact is it takes a lot to go wrong for an aircraft to crash and more often than not the main factors centre on the pilots and their actions. Accidents almost always happen when a combination of factors come to add together. The quality of the aircraft build is just one factor but it's a very rare one to cause incident nowadays. Unlike previous years aircraft manufacturing quality today only really impacts reliability and not safety.

Boeing failed massively in that the 737MAX did indeed have a design flaw but as with many flaws that flaw could of been mitigated by proper training. Unfortunately however they scrimped on certain aspects of training and nobody identifed that a risk scenario existed which pilots needed to know how to handle. Holes in Swiss cheese.
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thing is this keeps happening to their aircraft - this is an older one so more a maintenance issue but there is something off with their product

www.bbc.co.uk

Boeing plane engine cover falls off prompting investigation

The Southwest Airlines flight had to return to Denver International airport shortly after taking off.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
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