It worries me that now we are out of EASA we could be put under additional pressure from the US for our CAA to accept the safety argument for the 737 MAX with less scrutiny than would be desirable.
It’s not even about lowering standards. It’s whether we would let politics influence a nominally independent safety regulatory body. I’m not saying we would but I would have less confidence if the Americans tried to turn the screw on us than if they tried it with EASA.now why would that happen when Gove JRM and Johnson have assured Brexit is not supposed to do that - we will not dumb down our standards to those that prevail in the USA...737-8 MAX about to be compulsory for all UK airlines lol
Respectfully, I won’t be taking my aviation safety cues from you.it's not safe, they've been lying and concealing at the expense of the public all the way through and continue to do so. It should be banned, Boeing should have to refund every single plane and if they go bust so be it. Need to stop big companies cheating when it costs innocent people their lives.
Maybe 346 people would though if they he'd their chance again?Respectfully, I won’t be taking my aviation safety cues from you.
Respectfully, I won’t be taking my aviation safety cues from you.
Without their unfortunate demise, your hindsight wouldn’t feel quite so justified.Maybe 346 people would though if they he'd their chance again?
Nice.
Fully agree with you if there was only one crash, to not do anything and allow the second was inexcusable. I remember the smear campaign against the crew and their abilitiesWithout their unfortunate demise, your hindsight wouldn’t feel quite so justified.
Chicken, meet egg.
You see that’s absolutely NOT TRUE!Fully agree with you if there was only one crash, to not do anything and allow the second was inexcusable. I remember the smear campaign against the crew and their abilities
I cannot answer this. All I can wish for is that the authorities and manufacturers give you and all the people who hold our lives in their hands on a daily basis every open and honest support. Stay safe and a happy 2021You see that’s absolutely NOT TRUE!
The flight before the FIRST crash, LION AIR FLIGHT 43, the aircraft had the MCAS problem and the crew used the STAB CUTOFF procedures to help control the aircraft. Clearly there was a problem. However, the NEXT FLIGHT of that aircraft was the crash (LT 610).
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Preliminary investigations revealed serious flight control problems that traumatized passengers and crew on the aircraft's previous flight, as well as signs of Angle of attack (AoA) sensor and other instrument failures on that and previous flights, tied to a design flaw involving the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System(MCAS) of the 737 MAX series. As a result, the United States Federal Aviation Administration and Boeingissued warnings and training advisories to all operators of the 737 MAX series to avoid letting the MCAS cause an abrupt dive similar to the Lion Air flight.
These advisories were not fully implemented, however, and the design issues are suspected to be involved in the Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 crash on 10 March 2019, prompting a worldwide grounding of all 737 MAX aircraft.
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I’m not giving Boeing a free pass, either, because not including MCAS in the Differences, for fear of requiring actual, REAL TRAINING by airlines, is a disgrace.
As a 737 Captain for over a decade, I have flown the -300, -500, -700, -800, 900(ER), and the MAX variants. They ALL have their foibles and require a significantly thicker Aircraft Flight Manual than most aircraft. Fewer things are automated and the various models have slightly different systems, so explaining MCAS wouldn’t have been a big thing, BUT THE AIRLINES WANTED A ZERO DAY TRAINING FOOTPRINT, and thus “MAX training” was a CBT module. In short, a PowerPoint with questions!
I have a big problem with THAT! However, we knew “the fix” very, very early on, and the OLD 737 manuals even had a MANUAL PROCEDURE for this same type of problem on the first variants. The difference this time is they actually BUILT-IN the “INVISIBLE” use of a potentially deadly system that, if activated due to failure, would present a very confusing aural and visual cacophony to be overcome as you seek to pinpoint the problem and then affirmatively address it.
We are deep in the weeds now, so I’ll butt out. However, I didn’t want to leave your erroneous assertions to go unchallenged.
Safety First!
Bbc news says it was a 737. They sound lethalBeing reported a passenger plane with more than 50 people on board has gone missing after take off in Indonesia. Hope it’s not another one of these! Are they back in the air yet?
It’s a 737-500, not a 737 MAX.Bbc news says it was a 737. They sound lethal
if you've ever flown jet2 in the last 5 years, i would say that's quite a newish plane :)(though they do have newer stock nowadays)The plane nerds on Twitter are stating it’s a different generation / model of 737.
Apparently this one is almost 30 years old - fuck that!
I'd fly on an older plane no problem, you know it's alright because it's been going so long. This one is the old 737-500, amongst the best selling planes in history albeit indeed getting on now.The plane nerds on Twitter are stating it’s a different generation / model of 737.
Apparently this one is almost 30 years old - fuck that!
I'd fly on an older plane no problem, you know it's alright because it's been going so long. This one is the old 737-500, amongst the best selling planes in history albeit indeed getting on now.
Age is never a factor in fatal accidents because virtually every part except the airframe will of been replaced in time anyway.
Without speculating, the location of this crash tends to tell a lot as safety standards and procedures are often nowhere near the level of western airlines.