737-8 max plane goes down (2018) - new not Max crash Indonesia

RobMCFC said:
Interesting that the section that tore away is where the option of an extra door is. Alaska aircraft don’t have this door, so it suggests that the skin - or whatever they cover the door space with - isn’t strong enough.
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was only watching something on youtube the other day, they would put a section in which is overlaping then use an epoxy resin followed by fixing with rivets, the presure change in the cabin can weaken a bad job causing it to fail, this is what happend with the hawaiian plane when the skin peeled off on the top and people were sucked out of the plane
 
marco said:
was only watching something on youtube the other day, they would put a section in which is overlaping then use an epoxy resin followed by fixing with rivets, the presure change in the cabin can weaken a bad job causing it to fail, this is what happend with the hawaiian plane when the skin peeled off on the top and people were sucked out of the plane
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It seems a crazy approach. Surely if you take the plane, you’ve got to take the extra exit. Of course that would probably mean two or three seats lost, so once again it’s about money.
 
The 737 MAX 9, currently Boeing's largest single-aisle, seating up to 220 people, includes an optional extra door to allow for the approved number of evacuation paths whenever carriers opt to install the maximum number of seats.

The looser layout based on a smaller number of seats and do not need the surplus door, which adds weight and reduces flexibility in the cabin. Instead the door is deactivated before delivery, using a "plug."

Other optional doors or fill-in replacement structures were also offered on a predecessor model, the 737-900ER.
 
Why oh Why do US pilots find it so hard to use the phrase Mayday, Mayday, Mayday? I have watched a few incidents recently, including this one, and the breakdown in communications between pilot and ATC is often exacerbated by a reluctance on the part of the pilots to actually admit they are in the shit and need immediate assistance. They're going to have paperwork to fill in no matter what happens and should the situation develop into something less serious the Mayday can always be downgraded. The above incident is a real eye opener that even though the crew are obviously using masks and in a rapid descent the controller still asks the nature of the problem, fuel and souls on board at a really in-opportune moment. Had a Mayday x 3 been declared, I'd like to think the controller actions would have been different.
 
The Indonesians don't have a great record of safety. Whether that be how the pilots are utilised or maintenance.
 
Is it really safe to be still building what is essentially a 60 year old plane? I know the planes are radically different today but the airframe is still of the original design. The assembly would appear to be of the "get them out of the door ASAP" culture.
 
RadcliffeRick said:
Is it really safe to be still building what is essentially a 60 year old plane? I know the planes are radically different today but the airframe is still of the original design. The assembly would appear to be of the "get them out of the door ASAP" culture.
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It’s probably more cost cutting and using the cheapest stuff they can “safely” get away with. See Grenfell cladding for similar results.
 
Keeper! said:
The job of a modern pilot must be incredibly boring flying the latest aircraft.

Apart from initial take off and landing there is little to do, often pilots turn on the autopilot within seconds of taking off, the level of boredom of long flights must be enormous.
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Once sat in the cockpit jumpseat on a 777 Manchester to Hong Kong flt. looong,tedious,boring and very uncomfortable and that was a one off ,thought of doing it weekly must be a mare although no doubt the money compensates .
Didnt help my brother and son were in business class having a great time .
 
RadcliffeRick said:
Is it really safe to be still building what is essentially a 60 year old plane? I know the planes are radically different today but the airframe is still of the original design. The assembly would appear to be of the "get them out of the door ASAP" culture.
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It's very safe. Designing a new aircraft from scratch is extremely expensive and there is very little to gain from that investment unless it's a radical design like the A380 (which was actually a financial failure). Most newer aircraft are just improved older designs which have new engines and different materials etc.

The Boeing issues seem to come down to quality and they have rightly been criticised for that. However, Airbus aircraft sometimes have these issues too. You just won't hear about them because Boeing has a target painted on their back. Either way though you're more likely to be hit by a meteorite then be in a plane crash.
 
inbetween said:
It's very safe. Designing a new aircraft from scratch is extremely expensive and there is very little to gain from that investment unless it's a radical design like the A380 (which was actually a financial failure). Most newer aircraft are just improved older designs which have new engines and different materials etc.

The Boeing issues seem to come down to quality and they have rightly been criticised for that. However, Airbus aircraft sometimes have these issues too. You just won't hear about them because Boeing has a target painted on their back. Either way though you're more likely to be hit by a meteorite then be in a plane crash.
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Behave, they have royally fucked up with this plane from day 1 all due to Airbus doing so well. The leadership pushing profit over safety and in the process have tarnished such a huge company. There is no target painted on their back to suggest otherwise makes you sound like a fanboy.
 
Keeper! said:
The job of a modern pilot must be incredibly boring flying the latest aircraft.

Apart from initial take off and landing there is little to do, often pilots turn on the autopilot within seconds of taking off, the level of boredom of long flights must be enormous.
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Calling @ChicagoBlue the thread
 
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