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9/11 Conspiracy?
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bluespana
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I watched Loose Change (also grew up in NJ were half the victims from the towers were from). 'Loose Change' is loose with the facts. Preposterous theory after theory. So amateur I'm amazed at the amount of people who think it's semi-factual. The Kennedy Assassination according to Oliver Stone looks like a a walk in the park compared to this.
zeusbheld
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy.
are you in aviation? how do you know that the fan shown is NOT from a 757's engine? have you seen one with the cowling off?
also a lot of people have doubts about the pentagon yet have no problem accepting that the WTC was taken down by airliners. what, from a conspirator's point of view, would be the logic of this? i'm a little fuzzy on why the mix-and-match makes sense to anyone as it doesn't to me, although admittedly as a new yorker i never paid much attention to the pentagon or DC in general (some nice museums there though).
Uwe Rosler's Grandad said:My comment you have used still stands "Releasing footage that shows the Boeing 757 going over a motorway or past the petrol station or into the pentagon will get rid of more conspiracies than it would start."
As for the pics of the plane debris...clearly something has gone into the Pentagon but was it a Boeing 757? And why is there an engine in those pics which hasn't come from one?
are you in aviation? how do you know that the fan shown is NOT from a 757's engine? have you seen one with the cowling off?
also a lot of people have doubts about the pentagon yet have no problem accepting that the WTC was taken down by airliners. what, from a conspirator's point of view, would be the logic of this? i'm a little fuzzy on why the mix-and-match makes sense to anyone as it doesn't to me, although admittedly as a new yorker i never paid much attention to the pentagon or DC in general (some nice museums there though).
Re: 9/11 Conspiracy.
The engine from a 757 is a LOT bigger...
zeusbheld said:Uwe Rosler's Grandad said:My comment you have used still stands "Releasing footage that shows the Boeing 757 going over a motorway or past the petrol station or into the pentagon will get rid of more conspiracies than it would start."
As for the pics of the plane debris...clearly something has gone into the Pentagon but was it a Boeing 757? And why is there an engine in those pics which hasn't come from one?
are you in aviation? how do you know that the fan shown is NOT from a 757's engine? have you seen one with the cowling off?
also a lot of people have doubts about the pentagon yet have no problem accepting that the WTC was taken down by airliners. what, from a conspirator's point of view, would be the logic of this? i'm a little fuzzy on why the mix-and-match makes sense to anyone as it doesn't to me, although admittedly as a new yorker i never paid much attention to the pentagon or DC in general (some nice museums there though).
The engine from a 757 is a LOT bigger...
Uwe Rosler's Grandad
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy.
I am not in aviation so am not an expert. I just have a few queries on the Pentagon crash. Why is it not possible to have a few questions re this crash and accept the twin towers plane situation and the other hijacking? I am not a conspirator I just have a few questions.
zeusbheld said:Uwe Rosler's Grandad said:My comment you have used still stands "Releasing footage that shows the Boeing 757 going over a motorway or past the petrol station or into the pentagon will get rid of more conspiracies than it would start."
As for the pics of the plane debris...clearly something has gone into the Pentagon but was it a Boeing 757? And why is there an engine in those pics which hasn't come from one?
are you in aviation? how do you know that the fan shown is NOT from a 757's engine? have you seen one with the cowling off?
also a lot of people have doubts about the pentagon yet have no problem accepting that the WTC was taken down by airliners. what, from a conspirator's point of view, would be the logic of this? i'm a little fuzzy on why the mix-and-match makes sense to anyone as it doesn't to me, although admittedly as a new yorker i never paid much attention to the pentagon or DC in general (some nice museums there though).
I am not in aviation so am not an expert. I just have a few queries on the Pentagon crash. Why is it not possible to have a few questions re this crash and accept the twin towers plane situation and the other hijacking? I am not a conspirator I just have a few questions.
bluespana
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Like Zeus said...why use 2 large airliners to destroy the Towers and then not for the Pentagon but pretend it was? Do you see how desperate that sounds for a conspiracy?
cbeebies is poo
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ok fella got to be quick. You asked a question 9/11 Conspiracy? well you have to make your mind up. You will no all that the mainstream media has said. For me you need to spend alot of time on this yourself here are some links for you to watch. To me it makes sense i used to be one of the people on NO WAY THEY COULD DO THIS TO THERE OWN PEOPLE ETC ETC. it is very hard to get your head round that to me I SAY ME before they shoot me down. that there is a few people controling the actions that create wars more money for them etc etc.RobinJo said:Back.
Are we any the wiser?
your option to watch or not.
<a class="postlink" href="http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-6030443037963555139" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 7963555139</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=zeigest+&emb=0#emb=0&dur=3&q=zeitgeist+full+movie&src=4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q ... ovie&src=4</a>
that is plenty to get you goin some good hours there for you to question stuff. Take it easy RobinJo hope you get the answer your looking for?
Uwe Rosler's Grandad
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The size of a Boeing 757 engine can be seen here <a class="postlink" href="http://www.andrews.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/080516-F-9550S-226.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.andrews.af.mil/shared/media/ ... 0S-226.jpg</a>
ZeusB provided the following link (at the end is the engine picture) <a class="postlink" href="http://www.flight77.info/debris.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.flight77.info/debris.php</a>
Do you see why I have a question on this?
ZeusB provided the following link (at the end is the engine picture) <a class="postlink" href="http://www.flight77.info/debris.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.flight77.info/debris.php</a>
Do you see why I have a question on this?
Cheers matecbeebies is poo said:ok fella got to be quick. You asked a question 9/11 Conspiracy? well you have to make your mind up. You will no all that the mainstream media has said. For me you need to spend alot of time on this yourself here are some links for you to watch. To me it makes sense i used to be one of the people on NO WAY THEY COULD DO THIS TO THERE OWN PEOPLE ETC ETC. it is very hard to get your head round that to me I SAY ME before they shoot me down. that there is a few people controling the actions that create wars more money for them etc etc.RobinJo said:Back.
Are we any the wiser?
your option to watch or not.
<a class="postlink" href="http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-6030443037963555139" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 7963555139</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=zeigest+&emb=0#emb=0&dur=3&q=zeitgeist+full+movie&src=4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q ... ovie&src=4</a>
that is plenty to get you goin some good hours there for you to question stuff. Take it easy RobinJo hope you get the answer your looking for?
bluearmy71
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3CJt17yJCk&feature=related" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3CJt17y ... re=related</a>
I have read and discussed this many times with a lot of people watched many videos about it and come to this conclusion that it wasn't a conspiracy it was a attack on America an attack on the west does anyone think what happened here was one too?
The clips of Bush at the school when he was told some say his reaction was not right but what do you do with a class of little children "Sorry kids the country is under attack gotta go" no you stay calm for them and its also thought he knew about it that's why he was so calm and stayed there a bit longer well he did know about it because he was told before he went into the classroom about the first plane that hit which he thought was a bad pilot.
When he was told in the classroom about the second plane he would off knew it was a attack then.
Some say the buildings were wired up with explosive as well too make sure it was "done properly" lol sorry but the amount of explosives needed would of been visible too thousands of people in the buildings.
One of the stranger one's is the Bush family and the Bin laden family were in this together and part of a group or a secret terrorist group and that's one of the reasons Osama has not been found(he hasn't been found because he is probably dead by know as he had a a form of cancer and other health problems and that is why there has been no new dated tapes.) And yes they go back 20 years through business and the Carlyle group and business would of been all it was.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.uni-muenster.de/PeaCon/global-texte/g-notes/BinLaden-Carlyle.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.uni-muenster.de/PeaCon/globa ... arlyle.htm</a>
There are so much more conspiracy theory's people have made up which can be explained to the right people but some people really do believe them and get really deep into it and follow it like the bible but don't look for the explanations and others views.It's there with the buildings on the moon and Armageddon and will stay that way all people can do is look at it all themselves and make there own conclusion.
At the moment i am still undecided about the buildings on the moon one as there is strong evidence and reports and taped links from NASA to the astronauts about what has been seen on the moon.
The disclosure project is interesting too...
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.disclosureproject.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.disclosureproject.org/</a>
Look you've brought the nerd out in me now.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3CJt17yJCk&feature=related" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3CJt17y ... re=related</a>
I have read and discussed this many times with a lot of people watched many videos about it and come to this conclusion that it wasn't a conspiracy it was a attack on America an attack on the west does anyone think what happened here was one too?
The clips of Bush at the school when he was told some say his reaction was not right but what do you do with a class of little children "Sorry kids the country is under attack gotta go" no you stay calm for them and its also thought he knew about it that's why he was so calm and stayed there a bit longer well he did know about it because he was told before he went into the classroom about the first plane that hit which he thought was a bad pilot.
When he was told in the classroom about the second plane he would off knew it was a attack then.
Some say the buildings were wired up with explosive as well too make sure it was "done properly" lol sorry but the amount of explosives needed would of been visible too thousands of people in the buildings.
One of the stranger one's is the Bush family and the Bin laden family were in this together and part of a group or a secret terrorist group and that's one of the reasons Osama has not been found(he hasn't been found because he is probably dead by know as he had a a form of cancer and other health problems and that is why there has been no new dated tapes.) And yes they go back 20 years through business and the Carlyle group and business would of been all it was.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.uni-muenster.de/PeaCon/global-texte/g-notes/BinLaden-Carlyle.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.uni-muenster.de/PeaCon/globa ... arlyle.htm</a>
There are so much more conspiracy theory's people have made up which can be explained to the right people but some people really do believe them and get really deep into it and follow it like the bible but don't look for the explanations and others views.It's there with the buildings on the moon and Armageddon and will stay that way all people can do is look at it all themselves and make there own conclusion.
At the moment i am still undecided about the buildings on the moon one as there is strong evidence and reports and taped links from NASA to the astronauts about what has been seen on the moon.
The disclosure project is interesting too...
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.disclosureproject.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.disclosureproject.org/</a>
Look you've brought the nerd out in me now.
zeusbheld
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blumoon said:Anybody watch the documentary "Loose Change" ?. Now that really had me thinking that it was a conspiracy. Detonators going off on parts of the twin towers before they collapsed.
loose change was crap. documentaries are the easiest thing in the world to fake.
as it happens this is my area of expertise. like the makers of "Loose Change" i went to film school but haven't been able to get any attention in film festivals, etc. for my work (my location at the official Football Manager site is a list of festivals that have rejected my latest work of visionary genius). the difference between them and me, is that i'm not dishonest enough to put together a shoddy smoke-and-mirrors documentary in order to attention whore on the internet.
this debunking is from a 9/11 conspiracy theory site. think about it. if the video is so bad that even 9/11 conspiracy theorists distance themselves from it, is it really something you want to take seriously?
bluespana
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Uwe Rosler's Grandad said:The size of a Boeing 757 engine can be seen here <a class="postlink" href="http://www.andrews.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/080516-F-9550S-226.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.andrews.af.mil/shared/media/ ... 0S-226.jpg</a>
ZeusB provided the following link (at the end is the engine picture) <a class="postlink" href="http://www.flight77.info/debris.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.flight77.info/debris.php</a>
Do you see why I have a question on this?
Can you really tell what that is in the last picture? Is it an outer casing, inner ring? or is that website desperate to prove their 'theory'? Until there is a definitive photo the point is moot.
Here's someone else's take on those photos.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.911review.com/errors/pentagon/turbofans.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.911review.com/errors/pentagon/turbofans.html</a>
Uwe Rosler's Grandad
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bluespana said:Uwe Rosler's Grandad said:The size of a Boeing 757 engine can be seen here <a class="postlink" href="http://www.andrews.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/080516-F-9550S-226.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.andrews.af.mil/shared/media/ ... 0S-226.jpg</a>
ZeusB provided the following link (at the end is the engine picture) <a class="postlink" href="http://www.flight77.info/debris.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.flight77.info/debris.php</a>
Do you see why I have a question on this?
Can you really tell what that is in the last picture? Is it an outer casing, inner ring? or is that website desperate to prove their 'theory'? Until there is a definitive photo the point is moot.
Here's someone else's take on those photos.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.911review.com/errors/pentagon/turbofans.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.911review.com/errors/pentagon/turbofans.html</a>
I'll have a read later. I am not a conspiracy theorist just have a few questions...that link might answer one of them!
Prestwich_Blue
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I don't believe in the "America did it" conspiracy theory but I do think that maybe they knew more about it than they have said and may have been prepared to let it happen in order to ensure they had a clear justification for what they wanted to do.
As regards the engines, the first photo seems to have an unusual perspective but the engines on a 757 are not slung as low as the one shown. The 757 is quite a "tall" aircraft plus there is no such thing as a "757 engine". There are compatible engines but the actual choice of engine is made at time of purchase. It's not integral to the airframe.
As regards the engines, the first photo seems to have an unusual perspective but the engines on a 757 are not slung as low as the one shown. The 757 is quite a "tall" aircraft plus there is no such thing as a "757 engine". There are compatible engines but the actual choice of engine is made at time of purchase. It's not integral to the airframe.
zeusbheld
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy.
the cowling is. have you seen one? cowling off? do you know how a jet engine is put together?
here's a rather lengthy essay that debunks the 'definitely no engine parts' claims, again written by a 9/11 "truther." if the "truthers" aren't buying it... well...
RobinJo said:zeusbheld said:Uwe Rosler's Grandad said:My comment you have used still stands "Releasing footage that shows the Boeing 757 going over a motorway or past the petrol station or into the pentagon will get rid of more conspiracies than it would start."
As for the pics of the plane debris...clearly something has gone into the Pentagon but was it a Boeing 757? And why is there an engine in those pics which hasn't come from one?
are you in aviation? how do you know that the fan shown is NOT from a 757's engine? have you seen one with the cowling off?
also a lot of people have doubts about the pentagon yet have no problem accepting that the WTC was taken down by airliners. what, from a conspirator's point of view, would be the logic of this? i'm a little fuzzy on why the mix-and-match makes sense to anyone as it doesn't to me, although admittedly as a new yorker i never paid much attention to the pentagon or DC in general (some nice museums there though).
The engine from a 757 is a LOT bigger...
the cowling is. have you seen one? cowling off? do you know how a jet engine is put together?
here's a rather lengthy essay that debunks the 'definitely no engine parts' claims, again written by a 9/11 "truther." if the "truthers" aren't buying it... well...
In their effort to cast doubt on the official story of the Pentagon attack, Loose Change explained that a 757 is driven by “two Pratt and Whitney Engines made of steel and titanium alloy which are nine feet in diameter, twelve feet long, and weigh six tons each.†Considering government claims that the plane entirely disintegrated in the fire (an explanation I’m certain they’re exaggerating), “it is scientifically impossible that twelve tons of steel and titanium was vaporized by kerosene." We’ve seen no intact nine-foot engines, and they couldn't have burned away, so a logical conclusion would be they never existed. “The two engines should have been found relatively intact. Instead, there was a single turbojet engine approximately three feet in diameter found inside the building.†I’m not sure where they got this from, but the only source coming to mind (Desmoulins, whose evidence we'll see below, and his wasn't intact either). But one small engine would mean we’re looking at a missile, not a plane.
zeusbheld
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Uwe Rosler's Grandad said:The size of a Boeing 757 engine can be seen here <a class="postlink" href="http://www.andrews.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/080516-F-9550S-226.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.andrews.af.mil/shared/media/ ... 0S-226.jpg</a>
ZeusB provided the following link (at the end is the engine picture) <a class="postlink" href="http://www.flight77.info/debris.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.flight77.info/debris.php</a>
Do you see why I have a question on this?
yes. because you are looking at the nacelle, not the engine itself. Jet engines have fan blades, that's why the nacelle is so big. fan blades, well.. ain't that sturdy compared to concrete.
zeusbheld
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy.
this one's my favorite. some people find it utterly implausible that an airplane, when crashing, breaks into little bits, or that some parts survive and go flying while some don't, yet have NO problem believing that demolitions technicians can rig a group of massive buildings for demolition--something that generally takes time and a lot of equipment---and NO WOULD WORKING IN AND AROUND THE BUILDINGS WOULD EVEN SEE THEM COMING. really, anyone who'd worked in the area (i worked at Lehman Bros at World Financial Center for a while in the Graphics dept it's right across the street). i worked midnight to 8 am (4 am if business was slow). there were lots of people in the area 24/7/365. yet NOBODY saw ANYONE rigging ANY of these buildings... ALL of which were in use 24/7/365.... hmmmm....
bluearmy71 said:Some say the buildings were wired up with explosive as well too make sure it was "done properly" lol sorry but the amount of explosives needed would of been visible too thousands of people in the buildings.
this one's my favorite. some people find it utterly implausible that an airplane, when crashing, breaks into little bits, or that some parts survive and go flying while some don't, yet have NO problem believing that demolitions technicians can rig a group of massive buildings for demolition--something that generally takes time and a lot of equipment---and NO WOULD WORKING IN AND AROUND THE BUILDINGS WOULD EVEN SEE THEM COMING. really, anyone who'd worked in the area (i worked at Lehman Bros at World Financial Center for a while in the Graphics dept it's right across the street). i worked midnight to 8 am (4 am if business was slow). there were lots of people in the area 24/7/365. yet NOBODY saw ANYONE rigging ANY of these buildings... ALL of which were in use 24/7/365.... hmmmm....
zeusbheld
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RobinJo said:In their effort to cast doubt on the official story of the Pentagon attack, Loose Change explained that a 757 is driven by “two Pratt and Whitney Engines made of steel and titanium alloy which are nine feet in diameter, twelve feet long, and weigh six tons each.†Considering government claims that the plane entirely disintegrated in the fire (an explanation I’m certain they’re exaggerating), “it is scientifically impossible that twelve tons of steel and titanium was vaporized by kerosene." We’ve seen no intact nine-foot engines, and they couldn't have burned away, so a logical conclusion would be they never existed. “The two engines should have been found relatively intact. Instead, there was a single turbojet engine approximately three feet in diameter found inside the building.†I’m not sure where they got this from, but the only source coming to mind (Desmoulins, whose evidence we'll see below, and his wasn't intact either). But one small engine would mean we’re looking at a missile, not a plane.
quoting out of context--cherry picking--doesn't make for much of a case.
Re: 9/11 Conspiracy.
Yet its possible, how do you know how long this may have been planned? Months? Or even years? It would have been easily done.
zeusbheld said:bluearmy71 said:Some say the buildings were wired up with explosive as well too make sure it was "done properly" lol sorry but the amount of explosives needed would of been visible too thousands of people in the buildings.
this one's my favorite. some people find it utterly implausible that an airplane, when crashing, breaks into little bits, or that some parts survive and go flying while some don't, yet have NO problem believing that demolitions technicians can rig a group of massive buildings for demolition--something that generally takes time and a lot of equipment---and NO WOULD WORKING IN AND AROUND THE BUILDINGS WOULD EVEN SEE THEM COMING. really, anyone who'd worked in the area (i worked at Lehman Bros at World Financial Center for a while in the Graphics dept it's right across the street). i worked midnight to 8 am (4 am if business was slow). there were lots of people in the area 24/7/365. yet NOBODY saw ANYONE rigging ANY of these buildings... ALL of which were in use 24/7/365.... hmmmm....
Yet its possible, how do you know how long this may have been planned? Months? Or even years? It would have been easily done.