9/11 - More evidence it was set up by people in the shadows

[Bojinov The Bull]

My view on the whole thing is that certain parts of what happened do look dodgy i.e. controlled explosions, no plane actually hitting the tower? Also, the US government stood to gain alot by invading the middle east (oil!).

However, imagine how many people would have to be involved in a conspiracy this size, government, planning, demolitions experts etc...as if ONE of those people wouldn't have come forward by now and let it out!

Well, let's look at what you would REALLY need. A few people who plan it, perhaps three to bounce ideas off of each other. One agent to set the explosives and explode it, one agent to find and fund the terrorists (which is done ALL THE TIME without leaks), one guy to setup the FAA responses and Army responses.

So far, I have 5, and those jobs could be crossed together so that the same person could do more than one.

How many Al-Qaeda people do you believe were involved in this?


I don't specifically believe it was a conspiracy by the US. I personally believe that it was a fanatical group of Muslims, based in Germany, funded by the Saudis (through sources found in Egypt and Spain, and banks in the US and UAE) who had no real connection to anyone else.

I think you'd need a few more than 5, obviously all the people at the top level of power would know, Bush and his secretary of defence and chief of staff at the least, then you'd have people who would need to get together and plan this HUGE scene, think of how the news channels footage was apparently 'doctored' and the planes added and the blackouts on the channels, they would need tech experts to do all that. Then I don't think its a matter of sending an agent to plant a few explosives in a tower, judging by how it happened it was a top notch controlled explosion so you'd have miles or cabling and explosives strategically placed around the towers weak spots (which would also have to have been done when nobody was in, which is when....?) and also would have to avoid all security cameras otherwise they would need another man on the inside to erase the footage.

This is just a minute amount of the actual planning and execution needed to pull this off its a MASSIVE task and I just don't believe it wouldn't get out.

Also, how about the familys who received calls from relatives on planes, who lost loved ones, are you telling me you really think the goverment would risk killing americans? If it ever got out it would be the end of America as we know it!

 

[Damocles]

I think you'd need a few more than 5, obviously all the people at the top level of power would know, Bush and his secretary of defence and chief of staff at the least,

Why would they need to know?

then you'd have people who would need to get together and plan this HUGE scene, think of how the news channels footage was apparently 'doctored' and the planes added and the blackouts on the channels, they would need tech experts to do all that.

Only a fool is arguing that this happened, so strike them off of your list too.

Then I don't think its a matter of sending an agent to plant a few explosives in a tower, judging by how it happened it was a top notch controlled explosion so you'd have miles or cabling and explosives strategically placed around the towers weak spots (which would also have to have been done when nobody was in, which is when....?) and also would have to avoid all security cameras otherwise they would need another man on the inside to erase the footage.

Agreed on the demolition part a little bit. I disagree that you need many people for it though, but perhaps more than one.
Nobody needs to be on the inside of WTC if the explosives were well hidden. Also, I'm under the impression that many explosives can be detonated remotely rather than having to have lots of wires and cables?

Also, how about the familys who received calls from relatives on planes, who lost loved ones, are you telling me you really think the goverment would risk killing americans? If it ever got out it would be the end of America as we know it!

Why would any of these people have to be involved?

And for the record, yes, I believe that the American government would kill its own citizens if they benefited from it. This is because they have previously killed their own citizens because they benefited from it.

 

[buzzer1]

This is all getting a little too personal for my liking. Please keep it on topic or we'll have to remove the thread.

I personally don't know about 9/11 as a conspiracy of what happened, as I cannot seem to separate the fact from fiction in the evidence.

However, I absolutely, resolutely believe that the perpetrators had next to no connection with Osama Bin Laden, and that Bin Laden had nothing at all to do with 9/11.

I have yet to see a single piece of unforged evidence that links him with this. In reality, the Spanish group ETA had far more links to 9/11 than Bin Laden ever did (though obviously, I'm not saying they did it). The logic used to associate Bin Laden with 9/11 was absolutely baffling. I also have no idea why the US Government released evidence which was later proven to be forged.

Unfortunately it usualy does, and the first stone 100% always gets chucked from the people that claim certain postings or posters are nuts, are in some way backward or have no grasp of Science and it's findings, and i can say 100% say that the so - called Nutters(me) have never ever thrown the first stone, maybe you should have a little look at these persitent offenders because if the boot was on the other foot, then i am damn sure you would act, swiftly. Cannon fodder for the Einstien(and not so einstiens) of this forum i am no more.

 

[Bojinov The Bull]

I think you'd need a few more than 5, obviously all the people at the top level of power would know, Bush and his secretary of defence and chief of staff at the least,

Why would they need to know?

then you'd have people who would need to get together and plan this HUGE scene, think of how the news channels footage was apparently 'doctored' and the planes added and the blackouts on the channels, they would need tech experts to do all that.

Only a fool is arguing that this happened, so strike them off of your list too.

Then I don't think its a matter of sending an agent to plant a few explosives in a tower, judging by how it happened it was a top notch controlled explosion so you'd have miles or cabling and explosives strategically placed around the towers weak spots (which would also have to have been done when nobody was in, which is when....?) and also would have to avoid all security cameras otherwise they would need another man on the inside to erase the footage.

Agreed on the demolition part a little bit. I disagree that you need many people for it though, but perhaps more than one.
Nobody needs to be on the inside of WTC if the explosives were well hidden. Also, I'm under the impression that many explosives can be detonated remotely rather than having to have lots of wires and cables?

Also, how about the familys who received calls from relatives on planes, who lost loved ones, are you telling me you really think the goverment would risk killing americans? If it ever got out it would be the end of America as we know it!

Why would any of these people have to be involved?

And for the record, yes, I believe that the American government would kill its own citizens if they benefited from it. This is because they have previously killed their own citizens because they benefited from it.

Fair enough but I think to pull something on that scale off at least the president would have to know, otherwise who is doing it and on who's say so, it would just be terrorism by and on Americans in that case! Also, back to the controlled explosions bit, what about afterwards, when the fire investigators are there looking through the wreckage, i'm sure they would have found some traces of explosive/wireless device for setting it off in the wreckage, I know the fire was hot but evidence is always left behind like in aircraft wreckages.

I'd take a lot of convincing on this one i'm afraid! I do love a good conspiracy theory though I must admit!

 

[BulgarianPride]

Why would they need to know?



Only a fool is arguing that this happened, so strike them off of your list too.



Agreed on the demolition part a little bit. I disagree that you need many people for it though, but perhaps more than one.
Nobody needs to be on the inside of WTC if the explosives were well hidden. Also, I'm under the impression that many explosives can be detonated remotely rather than having to have lots of wires and cables?



Why would any of these people have to be involved?

And for the record, yes, I believe that the American government would kill its own citizens if they benefited from it. This is because they have previously killed their own citizens because they benefited from it.

Fair enough but I think to pull something on that scale off at least the president would have to know, otherwise who is doing it and on who's say so, it would just be terrorism by and on Americans in that case! Also, back to the controlled explosions bit, what about afterwards, when the fire investigators are there looking through the wreckage, i'm sure they would have found some traces of explosive/wireless device for setting it off in the wreckage, I know the fire was hot but evidence is always left behind like in aircraft wreckages.

I'd take a lot of convincing on this one i'm afraid! I do love a good conspiracy theory though I must admit!

Did anyone search for anything else? All they were looking was remains of dead people and what was left from the airplanes. Which is full of wires, and all sorts of electrical devices. Even if there were traces left i doubt you can distinguish them from the other wires from the building, and the plane.

 

[ElanJo]

Oh the irony, a quote from the biggest child on the forum and your........ agreeing with him, oh the irony.

To all on this thread, for the last time. Nobody, possibly in our lifetime will know the full truth of what exactly goes on within the corridors of power, be it the UFO debate, the life on other planets scenario and just about most topics surrounding Conspiracies(cue the because there is nothing to say its all bullshit comments).
Elanjo, you can throw as many 'childish' comments as you like,but not even with your superhuman mind can you know the full story, and that goes for all the debunkers and the muppets that have nothing to add to the thread but a sly dig and leaching upto one of the many Scientists that frequent threads like this one.
The End.

You say that there's no evidence and then you say that from the evidence you have concluded that we're on the moon and there was/is some ancient moon civlisation.

You have no good foundation for your claim. You believe because you want to believe. If that isn't childish then tell me what it is.

And saying nobdy knows for sure only shows how weak your claim is. If all you can do to defend it is to appeal to ignorance then it's obviously not worth a penny.

PS. Let's say that MCFCinthUSA was the biggest child on the forum. This fact wouldn't invalidate his criticism of certain people on here when it comes to certain subjects.<br /><br />-- Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:37 pm --<br /><br />

My view on the whole thing is that certain parts of what happened do look dodgy i.e. controlled explosions, no plane actually hitting the tower? Also, the US government stood to gain alot by invading the middle east (oil!).

However, imagine how many people would have to be involved in a conspiracy this size, government, planning, demolitions experts etc...as if ONE of those people wouldn't have come forward by now and let it out!

Well, let's look at what you would REALLY need. A few people who plan it, perhaps three to bounce ideas off of each other. One agent to set the explosives and explode it, one agent to find and fund the terrorists (which is done ALL THE TIME without leaks), one guy to setup the FAA responses and Army responses.

So far, I have 5, and those jobs could be crossed together so that the same person could do more than one.

How many Al-Qaeda people do you believe were involved in this?


I don't specifically believe it was a conspiracy by the US. I personally believe that it was a fanatical group of Muslims, based in Germany, funded by the Saudis (through sources found in Egypt and Spain, and banks in the US and UAE) who had no real connection to anyone else.

One person to setup the World Trade Center Towers for demolition?

You don't mean that literally, right?

 

[HelloCity]

I advise everyone who has posted in this thread to click this link before posting again

http://www.infowars.com/cbs-report-on-911-ground-level-explosion-caused-wtc-to-collapse/

 

[pominoz]

I advise everyone who has posted in this thread to click this link before posting again

http://www.infowars.com/cbs-report-on-911-ground-level-explosion-caused-wtc-to-collapse/

According to that link,an explosion at ground level caused the tower to collaspe from the top (where the plane hit),how does that work?
Genuine question.

 

[BulgarianPride]

I advise everyone who has posted in this thread to click this link before posting again

http://www.infowars.com/cbs-report-on-911-ground-level-explosion-caused-wtc-to-collapse/

According to that link,an explosion at ground level caused the tower to collaspe from the top (where the plane hit),how does that work?
Genuine question.

I assume you are referring to the last paragraph.

The official story dictates that the collapse of both towers began at the impact point where the planes hit the buildings. Evidence of ground level explosions that contributed to the collapse of the towers would not corroborate with the government’s insistence that the attack was solely the work of 19 hijackers acting on behalf of Osama bin Laden, which is presumably why NIST fought tooth and nail to prevent this and other videos from being released.

I think the parts in bold explain your question. If not, read the stuff in bold in following sentence.

The 9/11 Commission completely ignored the hundreds of survivors, professionals, first responders, firefighters and police who reported numerous secondary explosions at all levels of the twin towers.

 

[pominoz]

Quote:
The 9/11 Commission completely ignored the hundreds of survivors, professionals, first responders, firefighters and police who reported numerous secondary explosions at all levels of the twin towers.


Is there any evidence of these mutiple explosions on all levels (apart from people hearing bangs,not unusual when a building is collapsing),like footage of windows being blown out or debris flying?

I must admit that the firemen video about explosions in the lobby,long after the plane had crashed,is disturbing. (terrorist bombs?).