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9/11
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mammutly
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Soulboy said:mammutly said:What a strange comment.
You are thanking a God that you don't believe in that you don't have to live in my mind?
I think you ought to see a psychiatrist
If you seriously believe George Bush is on par with Hitler I feel it may be you that needs to see a psychiatrist!
I'm all for giving our buddies from across the pond a bit of stick with their foreign policy, but to equate that with Hitler really does diminish what Hitler did.
It depends where you look at it from.
Hitler saw himself as promoting the interests of Germany and millions died.
Bush saw himself as promoting the interests of America and hundreds of thousands have died.
The numbers aren't really the point. Bush directed the slaughter of innocents over several years for what he saw as justifiable reasons. Hitler did the same.
They both committed hideous crimes.
mammutly said:Soulboy said:If you seriously believe George Bush is on par with Hitler I feel it may be you that needs to see a psychiatrist!
I'm all for giving our buddies from across the pond a bit of stick with their foreign policy, but to equate that with Hitler really does diminish what Hitler did.
It depends where you look at it from.
Hitler saw himself as promoting the interests of Germany and millions died.
Bush saw himself as promoting the interests of America and hundreds of thousands have died.
The numbers aren't really the point. Bush directed the slaughter of innocents over several years for what he saw as justifiable reasons. Hitler did the same.
They both committed hideous crimes.
The USA didn't consciously target civilians, whereas Hitler saw that as a pre-requisite of any campaign.
The USA didn't round up thousands of Muslims in the country and send them to concentration camps.
The USA (George Bush) targeted only Iraq (which it is now in the process of departing) and Afghanistan.
Hitler targeted just about every country in Europe, a fair few in Africa and Asia, as well as eventually declaring war on the USA.
If you believe that the destruction of a whole race of European Jews, and the death of 6 million innocents is similar to what Bush did in Afghanistan then all you are doing is giving succour to all the quasi-fascists in this country who can now state that, according to you... "Well Hitler was no worse than Bush"... which is attention seeking nonsense.
In my opinion.
mammutly
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Soulboy said:mammutly said:It depends where you look at it from.
Hitler saw himself as promoting the interests of Germany and millions died.
Bush saw himself as promoting the interests of America and hundreds of thousands have died.
The numbers aren't really the point. Bush directed the slaughter of innocents over several years for what he saw as justifiable reasons. Hitler did the same.
They both committed hideous crimes.
The USA didn't consciously target civilians, whereas Hitler saw that as a pre-requisite of any campaign.
The USA didn't round up thousands of Muslims in the country and send them to concentration camps.
The USA (George Bush) targeted only Iraq (which it is now in the process of departing) and Afghanistan.
Hitler targeted just about every country in Europe, a fair few in Africa and Asia, as well as eventually declaring war on the USA.
If you believe that the destruction of a whole race of European Jews, and the death of 6 million innocents is similar to what Bush did in Afghanistan then all you are doing is giving succour to all the quasi-fascists in this country who can now state that, according to you... "Well Hitler was no worse than Bush"... which is attention seeking nonsense.
In my opinion.
Saying Well Hitler was no worse than Bush is like saying Huntley was no worse than Hindley.
The comparison is a condemnation.
George Bush directed a vengeful war which killed many, many thousands of innocent people and caused untold suffering. The western media reported it selectively and the goverment spin was as widespread as it was dishonest.
The reality is that Bush orchestrated the killing of thousands of children, and his policies continue to cause massive pain and hardship to millions.That makes him as bad as any dictatator in world history. In my opinion.
bluemanc
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You're just pissed off because 9/11 stopped you doing your job,i still can't undestand why you didn't just turn the tv off rather than moaning how it stopped your life for a while.mammutly said:Soulboy said:The USA didn't consciously target civilians, whereas Hitler saw that as a pre-requisite of any campaign.
The USA didn't round up thousands of Muslims in the country and send them to concentration camps.
The USA (George Bush) targeted only Iraq (which it is now in the process of departing) and Afghanistan.
Hitler targeted just about every country in Europe, a fair few in Africa and Asia, as well as eventually declaring war on the USA.
If you believe that the destruction of a whole race of European Jews, and the death of 6 million innocents is similar to what Bush did in Afghanistan then all you are doing is giving succour to all the quasi-fascists in this country who can now state that, according to you... "Well Hitler was no worse than Bush"... which is attention seeking nonsense.
In my opinion.
Saying Well Hitler was no worse than Bush is like saying Huntley was no worse than Hindley.
The comparison is a condemnation.
George Bush directed a vengeful war which killed many, many thousands of innocent people and caused untold suffering. The western media reported it selectively and the goverment spin was as widespread as it was dishonest.
The reality is that Bush orchestrated the killing of thousands of children, and his policies continue to cause massive pain and hardship to millions.That makes him as bad as any dictatator in world history. In my opinion.
tasker said:houldsworth sq?Big G said:Was in the van on my way to do a delivery at George's chippy in Reddish, Adam Cole was on Key103 giving reports as he watched it on the box in the studio,
Spent a good half hour in George's glued to the TV in the back room.
Yep, thats the 1.
mammutly
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bluemanc said:You're just pissed off because 9/11 stopped you doing your job,i still can't undestand why you didn't just turn the tv off rather than moaning how it stopped your life for a while.mammutly said:Saying Well Hitler was no worse than Bush is like saying Huntley was no worse than Hindley.
The comparison is a condemnation.
George Bush directed a vengeful war which killed many, many thousands of innocent people and caused untold suffering. The western media reported it selectively and the goverment spin was as widespread as it was dishonest.
The reality is that Bush orchestrated the killing of thousands of children, and his policies continue to cause massive pain and hardship to millions.That makes him as bad as any dictatator in world history. In my opinion.
I didn't have a TV on. People heard about it at lunch and the effect was that the group were worried in the afternoon. I hadn't heard about it directly, but being a sensitive chap, I asked the group if they would rather not continue.
There was a discussion about it and I summed up the lecture fairly quickly and circulated extra notes later so they could finish early.
Pughie
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i was 9 and had just got back from my best mates birthday party, me and the family watched it unfold on sky news at home.
Its still very weird for me and my mates to this day, especially with his birthday being on the same day
Its still very weird for me and my mates to this day, especially with his birthday being on the same day
bluemanc
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If you'd have put it like that in the 1st place i wouldn't have stalked you :)mammutly said:bluemanc said:You're just pissed off because 9/11 stopped you doing your job,i still can't undestand why you didn't just turn the tv off rather than moaning how it stopped your life for a while.
I didn't have a TV on. People heard about it at lunch and the effect was that the group were worried in the afternoon. I hadn't heard about it directly, but being a sensitive chap, I asked the group if they would rather not continue.
There was a discussion about it and I summed up the lecture fairly quickly and circulated extra notes later so they could finish early.
I bet you sniggered while posting that.but being a sensitive chap
mammutly
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bluemanc said:If you'd have put it like that in the 1st place i wouldn't have stalked you :)mammutly said:I didn't have a TV on. People heard about it at lunch and the effect was that the group were worried in the afternoon. I hadn't heard about it directly, but being a sensitive chap, I asked the group if they would rather not continue.
There was a discussion about it and I summed up the lecture fairly quickly and circulated extra notes later so they could finish early.
I bet you sniggered while posting that.but being a sensitive chap
I'm deeply offended!
;-)
Swales lives
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People will probably ignore this year's anniversary of 9/11.
David Beckham has vowed to make his comeback from injury for that pub-team he plays for on the 9th Sept. So that will overshadow any memorial/grieving type stuff.
David Beckham has vowed to make his comeback from injury for that pub-team he plays for on the 9th Sept. So that will overshadow any memorial/grieving type stuff.
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I remember coming in from lunch in school and the news had just broke. Shocking stuff, the impact of it was beyond words, the thing I remember most clearly was the American's reactions to it, I just remember the actual horror that something like that could have happened, and how vulnerable everyone felt because it had happened to America.
But more than that, was the kinda shock and reaction to the firefighters and emergency services. They running in while everyone else ran out. So many funerals and thank you's, but as it was said, it is nothing different to what they do everyday, and how quickly it's been forgotten.
But more than that, was the kinda shock and reaction to the firefighters and emergency services. They running in while everyone else ran out. So many funerals and thank you's, but as it was said, it is nothing different to what they do everyday, and how quickly it's been forgotten.
MCFC BOB
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10 years, next year.
Ricster
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scall said:Dumbstruck or not, I thought the Secret Service, US Military etc. has procedures in place to get the President to a place of safety and in a situation where he has full control of the armed forces. That's why a guy (or three to be exact, one from the Army, Navy and Air Force who work in 8 hour shifts) follows no more than a few feet away with the nuclear launch codes.
When the Chief of Staff comes up to you and says "we're under attack", then surely the Secret Service would have bundled him into his limo and got him aboard Air Force Once immedidately.
Crazy.
Scall, dont you think that maybe the US Government knew of these impending attacks, hence why President Bush was in Florida at the time? We've all seen the emotionless video when Bush gets told about the attacks. He really doesn't seem that surprised by the events that are taking place.
I dont think, unlike some, that the US Government had a hand in these attacks, but i do believe they knew they were going to happen and did nothing to stop them.
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Soulboy said:mammutly said:What a strange comment.
You are thanking a God that you don't believe in that you don't have to live in my mind?
I think you ought to see a psychiatrist
If you seriously believe George Bush is on par with Hitler I feel it may be you that needs to see a psychiatrist!
I'm all for giving our buddies from across the pond a bit of stick with their foreign policy, but to equate that with Hitler really does diminish what Hitler did.
Would your view change if you found out that conviniently the company that got the arms contract for the impending war on terror was in a bit of a financial mess, but managed to secure the contract for the war?
But the clincher for me about that contract is that George Bush Snr was a director of that company and had a lot of monies tied up within, monies he would have probably lost if it wasn't for his good old son George Dubya.<br /><br />-- Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:01 am --<br /><br />
Soulboy said:mammutly said:It depends where you look at it from.
Hitler saw himself as promoting the interests of Germany and millions died.
Bush saw himself as promoting the interests of America and hundreds of thousands have died.
The numbers aren't really the point. Bush directed the slaughter of innocents over several years for what he saw as justifiable reasons. Hitler did the same.
They both committed hideous crimes.
The USA didn't consciously target civilians, whereas Hitler saw that as a pre-requisite of any campaign.
The USA didn't round up thousands of Muslims in the country and send them to concentration camps.
The USA (George Bush) targeted only Iraq (which it is now in the process of departing) and Afghanistan.
Hitler targeted just about every country in Europe, a fair few in Africa and Asia, as well as eventually declaring war on the USA.
If you believe that the destruction of a whole race of European Jews, and the death of 6 million innocents is similar to what Bush did in Afghanistan then all you are doing is giving succour to all the quasi-fascists in this country who can now state that, according to you... "Well Hitler was no worse than Bush"... which is attention seeking nonsense.
In my opinion.
The USA didn't consciously target civilians, whereas Hitler saw that as a pre-requisite of any campaign.
No they didn't, but CIA and NSA had recieved intelligence of a major threat to US shores, something they decided to ignore. The reason has never been given.
The USA didn't round up thousands of Muslims in the country and send them to concentration camps.
No, again your correct, but what they did do was move certain Muslim's out of the country in the weeks up to that attack. Also, why have Jewish WTC workers since come out and said that some recieved warnings about not going to work on the day of the attack? Yes, some Jews were killed in the attack, but a lot more could have been without warning.
The USA (George Bush) targeted only Iraq (which it is now in the process of departing) and Afghanistan.
So far they have.
The US have also parted warnings to Iran, Korea and more recently Israel over their Nuclear testing programmes and conflict respectively.
I was only 8, just been picked up from school by my Dad and as we walked past the shops he said 'There's been a terrorist attack in America'. Got home and it was all over the news, will never forget that. Same with 7/7, was coming out of school and one of the teachers was telling myself and some other students that 'London had been attacked, they believe its Al-Queda(sp?)'.
Hard to believe its nearly 9 years.
Hard to believe its nearly 9 years.
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Challenger1978 said:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro3o-ld0CWw[/youtube]
To this day that still amazes me that Bush just sat there and did nothing when all that was going on.
well there was no telephone box for him to dive into and put on his leotard and red cape
(but there was plenty going on elsewhere at the time; remember the US Gov't was more than just a figure-head simian, even back in those dark days)
oops, I've just read what Ricster's written, but will avoid popping his balloon....
(still, I can't quite ever figure out - or come to terms with how people can be so lacking in common sense and general awareness of what's really going on and what isn't; this is almost as frightening as the reality)
Challenger1978
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MCFCinUSA said:Challenger1978 said:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro3o-ld0CWw[/youtube]
To this day that still amazes me that Bush just sat there and did nothing when all that was going on.
well there was no telephone box for him to dive into and put on his leotard and red cape
(but there was plenty going on elsewhere at the time; remember the US Gov't was more than just a figure-head simian, even back in those dark days)
oops, I've just read what Ricster's written, but will avoid popping his balloon....
(still, I can't quite ever figure out - or come to terms with how people can be so lacking in common sense and general awareness of what's really going on and what isn't; this is almost as frightening as the reality)
Personally i would of expected the guy to smile and make a polite excuse and then leave. As at that moment in time no one had any idea what was happening. They didn't know that is was a massive coordinated terrorist attack.
It could of been anything for all he knew, it could of been an attempt at a coup d'état. It could of been the beginning of the first stage of a war by some country the US has pissed of over the years. Thats why i find it so shocking that he just sat there doing nothing.
swp80
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Swales lives said:People will probably ignore this year's anniversary of 9/11.
David Beckham has vowed to make his comeback from injury for that pub-team he plays for on the 9th Sept. So that will overshadow any memorial/grieving type stuff.
its the 11th september mate
swp80 said:Swales lives said:People will probably ignore this year's anniversary of 9/11.
David Beckham has vowed to make his comeback from injury for that pub-team he plays for on the 9th Sept. So that will overshadow any memorial/grieving type stuff.
its the 11th september mate
I think this comment needs to be preserved in the classic threads area.
Matty
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The fact that posters who seem fairly intelligent in normal threads are so willing and able to believe all sorts of conspiracy bollocks when it comes to 9/11 threads will never cease to amaze me. It's seriously as if they check-in their common sense, intellect and compassion upon entry and become, for want of a better word, morons.