9-11

[yerwot?]

Say what you will about it being an inside job and what not.....

all I know is that a 110 story building made of concrete and steel will not collapse in on itself in 10 seconds without help from explosives.

WTC 7 was definitely a controlled demolition that would have taken days/weeks to plan. The correct columns have to be identified and right amount of explosives have to be calculated.

The pentagon explosion was sketchy as fuck!

The shit that went down on 9/11 seems to defy physics

When do you think they did all that precise planning? Was it when all the office workers were at home in bed? What did they tell Frank the security guy as they went in and out each night, and why the fuck didn't Frank or his dog, Jasper, raise the alarm when they saw packages saying 'highly explosive' on them? Was it because that simply didn't happen?

What if? just for the anti-conspiracy to tear to pieces, here's another
Every sky-scraper has an Armageddon strategy, with a top-secret (presidencial level) capability to self-destruct, with inbuilt charges from when construction was begun, to minimise the damage to the city. If the towers had toppled sideways, the cost to NY could have been terminal, in fact to any sky-scraper district, Chicago et al, . Such a plan would have to be initiated by military involvement in it's inception for security reasons, and would not involve explosives but thermite, which turns steel to butter in seconds, and gravity. At least it would explain the eerie way the buildings fell onto their own foundations despite suffering side impacts.

 

[XxRachXx]

Has nobody thought the impact of the planes hitting could have weakened the ground beleow ??? How people can say what them scum bastards did was a conspiracy theory is beyond me !!! The fact scum laden admitted being behind it all... Does that mean july 7 attacks were a conspiracy too .....
Why not just try respecting the ones that lost there lives !!!!!

 

[Pigeonho]

I dont know when or how it happened. There were reports that there were fire drills and power outs a few weeks leading up to the attacks. WTC 7 was also a government building that had high security government files in it. Its not like tom, dick and harry would be wondering through their at their own leisure.

Anyway im purely looking at the engineering side. Steel is a strong motherfucking material....the buildings seemed to fall without any resistance. The steel columns where the plane hit may have been damaged, but how come the tower didn't tip towards the side it was hit when it fell? It fell down like a controlled demolition.

The official report said pancake theory yet that seems impossible with the speed in which it collapsed and many other factors.

It fell that way because the weight from the undamaged floors above the impact zones fell in when the steel columns buckled. It makes perfect sense why it fell that way, with the explanation provided on documentaries on how it happened. If only one side buckled I could understand it falling side ways then, as the weight would all fall onto that side. That didn't happen though, the entire building fell in on itself because the impact zones were 'like being in a furnace'. Those were quotes on the documentary I watched last night about how unthinkably hot it was because of the jet fuel.

Jet fuel burns no where near hot enough to melt or even weaken the steel. The fire was oxygen starved as seen from the black smoke which means it is 'cool' fire. The fire was only on a few levels as well.

46 (maybe 47) big, strong (prob the strongest for any steel structure at that time) steel columns do not simply fail like they did on 9/11. The steel mesh on the outside was damages badly where the plane hit......but the steel columns are what support the weight of the building. They are designed to a factor of safety with lots of redundancy. The mode of failure for the building cannot be explained by saying all the steel columns failed at the exact same time....in the exact same way...all the way down the building. Steel doesn't work like that.

The way the concrete formed a very fine dust cannot be explained by saying the floors simply collapsed. I know you said you watched a documentary....but there are a lot of other documentaries that 'prove' it was a controlled demolition.

Ps i hope im not coming across as arrogant. I enjoy a good discussion haha. I just believe that there are too many strange events that occurred on the day to simply call it a coincidence.

It was unprecedented though wasn't it. All the tests and certificates in the world count for nothing because they are just tests, (i'm talking about when the buildings were built, they were built to withstand air strikes), but nothing can be guaranteed. The fact that a jet plane loaded with fuel hit each tower, burned furiously and then caused the buildings to collapse proves exactly what i've just said, that nothing can be guaranteed.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

I dont know when or how it happened. There were reports that there were fire drills and power outs a few weeks leading up to the attacks. WTC 7 was also a government building that had high security government files in it. Its not like tom, dick and harry would be wondering through their at their own leisure.

Anyway im purely looking at the engineering side. Steel is a strong motherfucking material....the buildings seemed to fall without any resistance. The steel columns where the plane hit may have been damaged, but how come the tower didn't tip towards the side it was hit when it fell? It fell down like a controlled demolition.

The official report said pancake theory yet that seems impossible with the speed in which it collapsed and many other factors.

It fell that way because the weight from the undamaged floors above the impact zones fell in when the steel columns buckled. It makes perfect sense why it fell that way, with the explanation provided on documentaries on how it happened. If only one side buckled I could understand it falling side ways then, as the weight would all fall onto that side. That didn't happen though, the entire building fell in on itself because the impact zones were 'like being in a furnace'. Those were quotes on the documentary I watched last night about how unthinkably hot it was because of the jet fuel.

Jet fuel burns no where near hot enough to melt or even weaken the steel. The fire was oxygen starved as seen from the black smoke which means it is 'cool' fire. The fire was only on a few levels as well.

46 (maybe 47) big, strong (prob the strongest for any steel structure at that time) steel columns do not simply fail like they did on 9/11. The steel mesh on the outside was damages badly where the plane hit......but the steel columns are what support the weight of the building. They are designed to a factor of safety with lots of redundancy. The mode of failure for the building cannot be explained by saying all the steel columns failed at the exact same time....in the exact same way...all the way down the building. Steel doesn't work like that.

The way the concrete formed a very fine dust cannot be explained by saying the floors simply collapsed. I know you said you watched a documentary....but there are a lot of other documentaries that 'prove' it was a controlled demolition.

Ps i hope im not coming across as arrogant. I enjoy a good discussion haha. I just believe that there are too many strange events that occurred on the day to simply call it a coincidence.

I know the port authority changed laws to get the towers built and it meant they used bad techniques on steel fixings and also the whole construction was a joke.

 

[Skashion]

Why not just try respecting the ones that lost there lives !!!!!

Unless a conspiracy theory involves something like plane-switching/missiles and those aboard the planes being safe and sound and now living out their lives elsewhere, no lives are being disrespected.

 

[XxRachXx]

Why not just try respecting the ones that lost there lives !!!!!

Unless a conspiracy theory involves something like plane-switching/missiles and those aboard the planes being safe and sound and now living out their lives elsewhere, no lives are being disrespected.

What.... What about the thousands in the tower that ultimately lost there lives

 

[foetus]

Say what you will about it being an inside job and what not.....

all I know is that a 110 story building made of concrete and steel will not collapse in on itself in 10 seconds without help from explosives.

WTC 7 was definitely a controlled demolition that would have taken days/weeks to plan. The correct columns have to be identified and right amount of explosives have to be calculated.

The pentagon explosion was sketchy as fuck!

The shit that went down on 9/11 seems to defy physics

No you dont know any of this again they are theories

Controlled demo of a 110 story building would take over 1 year in work it doesn't include just explosives watch a programme on a controlled demo of something less than half its size, you also wouldn't start a controlled demo on the 82nd floor and then blow from underneath it. I will give you a hand on how you knock a building down with explosives
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79sJ1bMR6VQ[/youtube]

Also interviews with the firefighters at WTC7 saying they heard no explosions when it collapsed

The pentagon was hit with a plane not much sketchy as fuck with an explosion from that

Yeah i can see where your coming from with the controlled demolition. The wtc 7 is similar to that youtube video. However, with the 2 main towers, the way the towers fell and the huge dust cloud that resulted from it seemed to have had help from explosives. Its gonna take too long to discuss all the points.....but there is a lot of info in favour of explosives and a lot that says explosives werent used.

With the firefighters statement. There are interview with firefighters where they say they heard explosives. Take what you will from that.

The pentagon seemed to have minimal damage. If the plane hit at such a low altitude, how come there was little to no damage to the ground in front of the building. There are also other factors to do with evidence (or lack of) that an actual plane hit building.

 

[Skashion]

What.... What about the thousands in the tower that ultimately lost there lives

I don't know of any conspiracy theory which doesn't acknowledge thousands of deaths in the towers.

 

[foetus]

Has nobody thought the impact of the planes hitting could have weakened the ground beleow ??? How people can say what them scum bastards did was a conspiracy theory is beyond me !!! The fact scum laden admitted being behind it all... Does that mean july 7 attacks were a conspiracy too .....
Why not just try respecting the ones that lost there lives !!!!!

Im not trying to be disrespectful. What happened that day was a tragedy.

Im just coming from an engineering point of view in that the ways in which the two mains towers and WTC 7 collapsed seem to be strange to say the least. Ive studied steel, concrete and explosives (to a degree)....and what happened seemed to defy physics.

Also the pentagon explosion seems sus.

Im gonna quit while im ahead. I dont want to offend anyone. I wish it had never of happened. I was just trying to express my (and many others) point of view . RIP to the victims

 

[Pigeonho]

Say what you will about it being an inside job and what not.....

all I know is that a 110 story building made of concrete and steel will not collapse in on itself in 10 seconds without help from explosives.

WTC 7 was definitely a controlled demolition that would have taken days/weeks to plan. The correct columns have to be identified and right amount of explosives have to be calculated.

The pentagon explosion was sketchy as fuck!

The shit that went down on 9/11 seems to defy physics

When do you think they did all that precise planning? Was it when all the office workers were at home in bed? What did they tell Frank the security guy as they went in and out each night, and why the fuck didn't Frank or his dog, Jasper, raise the alarm when they saw packages saying 'highly explosive' on them? Was it because that simply didn't happen?

What if? just for the anti-conspiracy to tear to pieces, here's another
Every sky-scraper has an Armageddon strategy, with a top-secret (presidencial level) capability to self-destruct, with inbuilt charges from when construction was begun, to minimise the damage to the city. If the towers had toppled sideways, the cost to NY could have been terminal, in fact to any sky-scraper district, Chicago et al, . Such a plan would have to be initiated by military involvement in it's inception for security reasons, and would not involve explosives but thermite, which turns steel to butter in seconds, and gravity. At least it would explain the eerie way the buildings fell onto their own foundations despite suffering side impacts.

That I can understand, but why the rush? Why not wait until those who were able to get out, got out? I still think that the most obvious and likely explanation is the theory that the building simply fell into itself because of the internal damage and the amount of weight ontop of those impact zones. If the planes had hit towards the top of the towers, they would still be standing in other words, but because of the sheer weight on top of those impact zones and the weakening caused, they simply caved in.