Absolutely brilliant.yeah, I remember thinking "where the hell did that come from?", and that's not what you want to think about your Brazilian #9.
By contrast, 20 years ago Ronaldo was 23 and had just started picking up his crippling injuries.
So to contrast Jesus at end of this season, versus Ronaldo at end of 1999/00 season.
League Apps: Ronaldo - 155, Jesus - 143.
League Goals: Ronaldo - 130, Jesus - 53.
Total Club Apps: Ronaldo - 236, Jesus - 226.
Total Club Goals: Ronaldo - 197, Jesus - 91.
Int. Apps: Ronaldo - 54, Jesus - 39.
Int. Goals: Ronaldo - 36, Jesus - 18.
Cumulative Total:
Ronaldo Apps: 290, Goals: 233.
Jesus Apps: 265, Goals: 109.
We were promised the next Brazilian #9. We got him, though we were expecting Ronaldo and got Fred.
What a ridiculous fucking argument. He's not as good as the greatest striker of all time ao he's shit?yeah, I remember thinking "where the hell did that come from?", and that's not what you want to think about your Brazilian #9.
By contrast, 20 years ago Ronaldo was 23 and had just started picking up his crippling injuries.
So to contrast Jesus at end of this season, versus Ronaldo at end of 1999/00 season.
League Apps: Ronaldo - 155, Jesus - 143.
League Goals: Ronaldo - 130, Jesus - 53.
Total Club Apps: Ronaldo - 236, Jesus - 226.
Total Club Goals: Ronaldo - 197, Jesus - 91.
Int. Apps: Ronaldo - 54, Jesus - 39.
Int. Goals: Ronaldo - 36, Jesus - 18.
Cumulative Total:
Ronaldo Apps: 290, Goals: 233.
Jesus Apps: 265, Goals: 109.
We were promised the next Brazilian #9. We got him, though we were expecting Ronaldo and got Fred.
yeah, I remember thinking "where the hell did that come from?", and that's not what you want to think about your Brazilian #9.
By contrast, 20 years ago Ronaldo was 23 and had just started picking up his crippling injuries.
So to contrast Jesus at end of this season, versus Ronaldo at end of 1999/00 season.
League Apps: Ronaldo - 155, Jesus - 143.
League Goals: Ronaldo - 130, Jesus - 53.
Total Club Apps: Ronaldo - 236, Jesus - 226.
Total Club Goals: Ronaldo - 197, Jesus - 91.
Int. Apps: Ronaldo - 54, Jesus - 39.
Int. Goals: Ronaldo - 36, Jesus - 18.
Cumulative Total:
Ronaldo Apps: 290, Goals: 233.
Jesus Apps: 265, Goals: 109.
We were promised the next Brazilian #9. We got him, though we were expecting Ronaldo and got Fred.
Not only are you comparing him with one of the best of all time, but "appearances" only tell half the story.
For a start, the two best seasons Ronaldo had around that time, he was the main striker, and played a lot more minutes than Jesus. At Inter, he got 25 goals in Serie A, but the next highest in the team got 7! At Barcelona he got 34, but only Luis Enrique managed about 10 in the rest of the team. He's clearly on the pitch a lot longer and is getting the majority of the service, rather than competing against the PLs best ever goalscorer, in Aguero, plus other regular scorers like Sterling, Sane, Mahrez and De Bruyne.
Jesus has to be seen as part of a squad that have consistently outscored every other team in England since he arrived - and, despite being the youngest regular over the past three seasons, his goals and assists stand up against the rest of the forward line.
The point is, he's had plenty of time, he's played in comfortably the best team and yes, he wouldn't get Ronaldo numbers but he's a chasm away, even if you mitigate for the excuses he still falls comfortably short of where you'd expect him to be. His conversion stats back that up, it's not that he doesn't get service. Even if he was at 17/18 levels, which is below top level striker but not catastrophically so, he would have between 15-18 league goals, which given in the last 2 weeks alone we've lost 2 games he's played by a single goal, can lead to a lot of extra points. If you put him up to even just Lukaku conversion range at 47.5%, he'd have scored 19 league goals. At Aguero/Lewandowski/Haaland levels he'd have over 20 league goals. He's had the chances, he's just not been clinical, by his own standards he's down a third on goalscoring, by top striker standards he's down by about half given the chances he has.
For me, the problem is that you're comparing him with players who do different jobs. Someone like Lukaku would be a disaster in a Pep team.
Jesus is not there to be the new Aguero (arguable the best in PL history in his position), he's there to be part of a flowing front 3/6 that scores a lot of goals as a whole - and he seems to be doing alright at that.
As far as I can see, yesterday was only the third time we'd dropped points in the league when he's started. That's 3 games out of 16. Without him playing we've dropped points in 9 of the other 17. Given that one area the analysts reckon we've dropped off this season is in 'defending/pressing from the front', that's certainly food for thought.
It's not comparing jobs, it's comparing them beating the keeper when they shoot/hit the target. It's purely analysing his finishing as a striker when the chances are presented to him. It's a clear weakness for him. When 40 shots hit the target and only 10 go in, whereas in 17/18 15 would go in, and for other strikers 18-25 would go in, it's fair to point it out as something that's holding us back, because if he found the back of the net more often there'd be less pressure on the rest of the front line, and the defence, and he'd be trusted to play in bigger games, rotate more and use his strengths more often to help the side.
Like I said, even if he was at 17/18 levels he'd half a dozen or so more goals this season, and you'd expect with him and experience he'd get a bit better, not a third worse.
“Can’t compare him with others as he doesn’t start as much”.
Yeah, because he’s not fucking good enough to.
But was he playing a different way? Perhaps he's playing less as a poacher, so his chances are harder? Perhaps we create more chances when he plays, so can afford it if he missed more? What if we concede less when he's spends more time in positions that are more tricky to score from?
The management team at City will have stats that are much more complex than any we can access, and will understand why his contribution is worthwhile.
The league is full of strikers who have started a lot more games that Aguero and Jesus this season.
Jesus is competing for one place with the best the PL has seen.
If you want to compare him to the likes of Joelinton who has had many more starts, feel free ;)
The league is full of strikers who have started a lot more games that Aguero and Jesus this season.
Jesus is competing for one place with the best the PL has seen.
If you want to compare him to the likes of Joelinton who has had many more starts, feel free ;)
That’s great, but we’re not aspiring to be a team that’s gone 66 years without a trophy or been relegated into the championship twice in the last 10 years.
No - we're the most successful team in the PL since Jesus arrived. It's not because of him, more than anyone else, but our results don't dip when he plays - and this season our results have been better when he plays. He's been involved in 29 goals this season and that's comparable with Mane and De Bruyne - the favourites for player of the season.
It would be great if his conversion rate was better, but if it was comparable to Calvert-Lewin or Iheanacho and he'd played a similar number of games to Mane, then he'd be approaching 50 goals+assists for the season, and would be considered the best player in the league by some distance.
I can see we're going to disagree, but I really don't understand why he's singled out for abuse in a season when he's only played half the games and still contributed to 29 goals.